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leatherhat said:
sapphi_snake said:
leatherhat said:
sapphi_snake said:
leatherhat said:
sapphi_snake said:
leatherhat said:

Since you seem so concerned about homosexual rights I'm surprised you are so quick to give someone else a ride on that slippery slide when its such an oft used criticism of homosexuality.

Except homosexuality is not a mental disease (and psychological experiments carried out a couple of decades ago proved it). Paedophilia however is.


But this guy isn't a pedophilia. You just think he is because he owns manga. You think that owning manga means he must want to fuck children. Thats the slippery slope.

Don't know about you, but I generally whatch porn with people I'd like to fuck. IF someone is sexually aroused by porn depicting small children, then that person is a paedophile. He probably had lolicon on his laptop.


Even if it was lolicon (we don't know) that doesn't prove anything. 

Yeah, and if they had found anthrax in his suitcase, I'm sure that wouldn't have necessarily meant he was a terrorist either.

That example is completely different than the one we are discussing. It doesn't even come close to fitting. Try harder. 

Not really. It fits perfectly. Why would someone who is not a paedo have pics of underage children in sexual situaitions on their PC.



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Xen said:

Way to compare.

I suppose that I'm a pedo for loving Neptunia on the PS3 then? Because it's ravishingly abundant with lolis in "sexy" scenes.

IF you're sexually attracted to those lolis, and use that game and those images for sexual satisfaction then you are a paedo. The question is: Is the purpose of that game to create sexual arousal?



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
Xen said:

Way to compare.

I suppose that I'm a pedo for loving Neptunia on the PS3 then? Because it's ravishingly abundant with lolis in "sexy" scenes.

IF you're sexually attracted to those lolis, and use that game and those images for sexual satisfaction then you are a paedo. The question is: Is the purpose of that game to create sexual arousal?

Nah, hardly.

However, you should show more distinction.



sapphi_snake said:
leatherhat said:
sapphi_snake said:

Yeah, and if they had found anthrax in his suitcase, I'm sure that wouldn't have necessarily meant he was a terrorist either.

That example is completely different than the one we are discussing. It doesn't even come close to fitting. Try harder. 

Not really. It fits perfectly. Why would someone who is not a paedo have pics of underage children in sexual situaitions on their PC.

Lolicon =/= child porn

 

Slippery slope man



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sapphi_snake said:
Torillian said:
sapphi_snake said:
Torillian said:
sapphi_snake said:
I'm curious though, what kind of person actually reads such material, if not a paedophile.


Well that depends what it was since all we know is that some guy at a customs office considered it child pornograpy, could just be some high school manga with a few risque scenes or it could be full on loli hentai.  If it's the second than yes he's a paedophile, but if he doesn't act out on his desires I see no reason he should be punushed for thinking whatever he wants long as the material wasn't made by exploiting children (which it wasn't) then the law shouldn't have a say.

But if it really was lolicon then shouldn't he be forced to at least see a psychiatrist. I mean, today he reads a lolicon mag, tomorrow he rapes a pre-schooler. It's not as if porn prevents people from commiting such crimes.

Only if you assume that having such thoughts means he will definitely act them out in the future.  By that right every person that is into furries should go to counseling so they don't commit beastiality, or anyone with a rape fantasy should be on the sexual offenders list.  I know some would say that we could prevent crimes this way, but you can't punish people for what they fantasize about based on what you think they most likely will do in the future.  

But if he does have sexual attraction towards small children, then he is a potential threat. Paedophilia is a mental diorder, and paedophiles generally don't think rationally, and make up bizarre excuses to justify their actions (things like "a person reaches full sexual maturity at the age of 5"). Heck, even the book Lolita presented a situation like that. Making this guy go to a psychiatrist isn't punishing him, it's helping him, and possibly saving a poor child in the future. Igf he really is sexually attracted to small children, then he'll eventually crack if he doesn't recieve help.


That's not how it works though. That's what the thought police laws want people to believe, but Japan, the country in which this material originates and sells frequently and popularly, has a far lower rate of child molestation than any western country, including the US, where people are prosecuted for fantasizing about such material. I agree, it's a mental depravity, and those people should probably seek optional counseling, but there is no evidennce to show that people who view lolicon material are any more likelly to rape or molest children than those who don't.



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Damn, this topic reminds me of a cross between 1984 and Lolita. I'm sure most of you have read 1984, but read Lolita one of these days. It's all kind of fuckedupness.



naznatips said:
sapphi_snake said:
Torillian said:
sapphi_snake said:
Torillian said:
sapphi_snake said:
I'm curious though, what kind of person actually reads such material, if not a paedophile.


Well that depends what it was since all we know is that some guy at a customs office considered it child pornograpy, could just be some high school manga with a few risque scenes or it could be full on loli hentai.  If it's the second than yes he's a paedophile, but if he doesn't act out on his desires I see no reason he should be punushed for thinking whatever he wants long as the material wasn't made by exploiting children (which it wasn't) then the law shouldn't have a say.

But if it really was lolicon then shouldn't he be forced to at least see a psychiatrist. I mean, today he reads a lolicon mag, tomorrow he rapes a pre-schooler. It's not as if porn prevents people from commiting such crimes.

Only if you assume that having such thoughts means he will definitely act them out in the future.  By that right every person that is into furries should go to counseling so they don't commit beastiality, or anyone with a rape fantasy should be on the sexual offenders list.  I know some would say that we could prevent crimes this way, but you can't punish people for what they fantasize about based on what you think they most likely will do in the future.  

But if he does have sexual attraction towards small children, then he is a potential threat. Paedophilia is a mental diorder, and paedophiles generally don't think rationally, and make up bizarre excuses to justify their actions (things like "a person reaches full sexual maturity at the age of 5"). Heck, even the book Lolita presented a situation like that. Making this guy go to a psychiatrist isn't punishing him, it's helping him, and possibly saving a poor child in the future. Igf he really is sexually attracted to small children, then he'll eventually crack if he doesn't recieve help.


That's not how it works though. That's what the thought police laws want people to believe, but Japan, the country in which this material originates and sells frequently and popularly, has a far lower rate of child molestation than any western country, including the US, where people are prosecuted for fantasizing about such material. I agree, it's a mental depravity, and those people should probably seek optional counseling, but there is no evidennce to show that people who view lolicon material are any more likelly to rape or molest children than those who don't.

I wonder if the reason why that is, is because such cases are less likely to be reported in Japan. Having sex with children, especially young boys, was quite common in feudal Japan. I'm quite sure that people who view material involving young children in sexual situations are more likely to be a paedophile than those who don't. And sicne paedophilia is a mental illness, and paedophiles are a danger to society, therapy should be mandatory.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
naznatips said:


That's not how it works though. That's what the thought police laws want people to believe, but Japan, the country in which this material originates and sells frequently and popularly, has a far lower rate of child molestation than any western country, including the US, where people are prosecuted for fantasizing about such material. I agree, it's a mental depravity, and those people should probably seek optional counseling, but there is no evidennce to show that people who view lolicon material are any more likelly to rape or molest children than those who don't.

I wonder if the reason why that is, is because such cases are less likely to be reported in Japan. Having sex with children, especially young boys, was quite common in feudal Japan. I'm quite sure that people who view material involving young children in sexual situations are more likely to be a paedophile than those who don't. And sicne paedophilia is a mental illness, and paedophiles are a danger to society, therapy should be mandatory.

And in the same time the Japanese thought it was acceptable to have sex with young boys, the Europeans had no such thing as laws against rape nor child molestation, and the average age of marriage was 11.

The Japanese have some of the most efficient and effective law enforcement in the world, and very very few crimes go unreported. Part of this is it's a country where people are crammed so close together that you alway sknow what everyone else is doing. It's great that you're so sure of your misguided beliefs that you're willing to deny overwhelming statistical data (less than 1% of child molestations in the world are comitted by Asians and Pacific Islanders, while more than 50% are comitted by white people in countries in which we have such laws). What? There are 4 times as many Asians as Whites in the world too? Oh so White people in countries with laws against lolicon material are actually about 200 times more likely to commit the crime? Well, I'm sure it's just the police thing. Keep telling yourself that. 



sapphi_snake said:
Kudistos Megistos said:

Moralfaggotry at its finest. Anti-loli laws are the perfect example of a thought crime: people are criminalised for thinkingthings other people don't like, even though no-one gets harmed.

The US needs to declare war on Canada!

Seriously. You had to use such a homophobic term?


Don't you watch South Park? The definition of "faggot" or "fag" has now been changed and it doens't insult homosexuals =D.

And this is pathetic, if this "law" applies to the UK as well then I will be arrested for CREATING child pornography after they see some of the shit that I draw during lunch break.



naznatips said:

And in the same time the Japanese thought it was acceptable to have sex with young boys, the Europeans had no such thing as laws against rape nor child molestation, and the average age of marriage was 11.

The Japanese have some of the most efficient and effective law enforcement in the world, and very very few crimes go unreported. Part of this is it's a country where people are crammed so close together that you alway sknow what everyone else is doing. It's great that you're so sure of your misguided beliefs that you're willing to deny overwhelming statistical data (less than 1% of child molestations in the world are comitted by Asians and Pacific Islanders, while more than 50% are comitted by white people in countries in which we have such laws). What? There are 4 times as many Asians as Whites in the world too? Oh so White people in countries with laws against lolicon material are actually about 200 times more likely to commit the crime? Well, I'm sure it's just the police thing. Keep telling yourself that. 

But the thing is that these laws exist as a response to child abuse. You're trying to suggest that they're the cause, which is quite silly. If what you're saying is true about those statistics, it only shows that asians are less likely than whites to abuse children. Relaxing laws for child abusers would essentially doom children in Western countries.

Regarding your first paragraph, children were actually molested at that time in Europe. Are you suggesting otherwise?



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)