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they could probably save twice that if they got rid of unions



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MrBubbles said:
mrstickball said:
According to some congresswomen, they absolutely need that $170,000/yr salary to survive.


are they responsible for paying their own staff? do they have things like residences provided in washington or must they get their own?  when they travel or have meals that are business related are they covered by a seperate fund?


Not responsible for paying their own staff. I believe all business related expenses are paid. I am talking take-home pay from work.



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Vetteman94 said:

There was a 68.6B net in 2010,  it was only speculated that it would go into the red due to an increase in retirings,  but that never happened.  And the increase i am refering to wouldnt increase taxes for everyone, the current taxable shelf for SS is 90k,  which means anyone who makes 90k or more pays the same amount. And in all cases the increase would be minute as SS doesnt make up a huge percentage of taxes anyway. Raising that would eliminate any possible issue that is in the forseeable future.  One being when the Baby boomers retire.  So yes it is still self sustaining.

I never said Obamacare was perfect,  I was only refering to what it did for Medicare.  But what you are refering to can easily be fixed.  Its still a far better plan than Ryan's idea thats for sure.

But thats exactly what I am talking about, moving to states without a heavy union presense kills them in others.  Plus what union has ever killed jobs?  Thats a ridiculous concept.  Is it because a corporation doesnt feel that a blue collar worker should get his fair share?

And taking away regulation would do the same thing to smaller companies.  They would be crushed under the power of the larger corporations who have less regulations on how they do business.  They would never be able to compete with them.  

Well we have had 10 years of lower taxes and we are still in an economic downturn,  tax revenue is at its lowest in 50 years and the deficit is sky rocketing.  Maybe we should raise taxes since thats not working.  Since the tax cuts really didnt help me much and in fact I probably pay more now than I did before.   Probably because Im not in those top brackets yet though.  So yes some of it does have to do with the rich getting richer.  But I agree education is poor in this country,  but whats going to fix that?  Cutting taxes so public schools get worse due to less funding? Privitise it so only people who can afford it can send their kids to school?  Dont both of those situations just help the bad situation that its in currently get worse? 

Even if SS is still sustainable, do you know how poor the interest is on the monies paid in? 2.32% APY. That is barely enough for any retiree to live off of (and I am sure both you and I have family that live off of their paltry pensions which are certainly not enough to live off of). And again, you want to fix the problem by raising taxes. Isn't a 12.4% tax on income enough? How much more wealth do you want to destroy in a system that litterally takes the monies, invests in government debt, then taxes the populace again to pay the interest.

If Obamacare needed 'fixed' to be perfect, then why wasn't such legislation included in the 2,000 page bill that was approved? What about the fact that so many companies are requesting exemption from the bill? Methinks if it was remotely good, you wouldn't have thousands of businesses backing out of it.

What union has killed jobs? The ones that request too much wages and compensation that the business becomes uncompetitive to other businesses in the field. GM and Chrysler would be good examples. Where do you work at? I am curious what part of the employment chain you are in to make such kind of general statements that all unions are inherantly good and only provide value to the business. Certainly, not all unions are bad, but if they were 100% beneficial, you wouldn't see almost every corporation fleeing big union states in order to control costs and remain competitive.

Less regulations wouldn't hurt small companies. Are you registered with the NFIB? Do you know how they vote? The largest block of small business owners are always in favor of less regulations to ensure that big companies cannot explot massive government interventions to their favor (which happens very often with our activist government).

Your assumption about education is far off base. You argue that more money is the inherant fixer of problems, yet all data proves that to be wrong. Go look at educational statistics in America - the states with the best test scores are the ones that spend less, not more. The best way to fix education is to provide real competition through school vouchers - a school should not hold a monopoly on education just because of its location. That is an insane concept that is somehow accepted, which has destroyed many kids' educations, as schools have no incentive to improve. If parents and children were given the power to take their education where they wish, you would find that education would cost less, and scores would drasticly improve.

SO now the arguement is the interest isnt very good?  Thats funny.  As for my family, my fathers pension is currently looking well for when he retires. Couple that with what he will receive from SS and he will be doing quite alright for himself.   I wish I could say the same,  dont have one,  since my company got rid of it to maximize profits and "stay competitive".

About SS, raising taxes is not needed, you obviously didnt understand that part or you are deliberately twisting the words to make it looks worse.  The maximum taxable income for SS is 90K, meaning a person who makes 90K a year, a person who makes 250K a year and people who make 2M a year all pay the same amount to SS.  Raising the maximum taxable amount to say 150K, the person who makes 90K a year wouldnt pay more,  neither would anyone who makes less,  only the people who make more.  But the difference is small on the paycheck itself.  

Obamacare needs fixing because of all the other crap that was forced on it in order for it to be passed,  its barely recognizable from its original form.  It funny that the 2nd best health care system state by state is Mass which has a state run Health care system almost identical to Obamacare.  And a Republican, Mitt Romney, is the man responsible.  Wonder where the uproar for that is.

So basically your arguement is that those people didnt deserve the wages they were making because the corporations said so? The same corporations that pay their execs $20+M, and instead of looking in the mirror they blame it on the workers. As for where I work, I work for Caterpillar INC, so I see first hand how they treat unions as we deal with quite a few.  Plus my father and brother are both in unions themselves. And Im sure I will get a comment that Im baised because of this, so whatever.   Your last statement is a joke though,  corporations flee to non-union states so they can maximise profit by getting the cheapest workers possible.  Its the same reason the outsource jobs to other countries, its cheaper plain and simple.  Its cheaper to open a facility in some countries and hire over 100 engineers, with degrees not worth the paper they were printed on, than to just add 50 here. 

Well i guess then our education system should be getting better and better than since it has less money now that federal funding has been cut for it,  since thats one of the reasons my taxes went up. And one of the reasons the tax cuts dont help people like me.



Vetteman94 said:

SO now the arguement is the interest isnt very good?  Thats funny.  As for my family, my fathers pension is currently looking well for when he retires. Couple that with what he will receive from SS and he will be doing quite alright for himself.   I wish I could say the same,  dont have one,  since my company got rid of it to maximize profits and "stay competitive".

Well, that is one of many arguments. Your initial argument is that it was self-sustaining, but then argue taxes need to be raised on it: Why? If its self-sustaining, increasing taxes on it makes absolutely no sense. But I digress, do you disagree that interest on Social Security is actually good? Furthermore, you say you will have to rely on SS for retirement - are you comfortable with such a system?

About SS, raising taxes is not needed, you obviously didnt understand that part or you are deliberately twisting the words to make it looks worse.  The maximum taxable income for SS is 90K, meaning a person who makes 90K a year, a person who makes 250K a year and people who make 2M a year all pay the same amount to SS.  Raising the maximum taxable amount to say 150K, the person who makes 90K a year wouldnt pay more,  neither would anyone who makes less,  only the people who make more.  But the difference is small on the paycheck itself.  

Could you explain why we need to raise more Social Security taxes, again? You already said it is solvent. Is 12.4% up to 90k not enough? Why is it not enough?

Obamacare needs fixing because of all the other crap that was forced on it in order for it to be passed,  its barely recognizable from its original form.  It funny that the 2nd best health care system state by state is Mass which has a state run Health care system almost identical to Obamacare.  And a Republican, Mitt Romney, is the man responsible.  Wonder where the uproar for that is.

How is Massachusettes state health care good? It is massively overbudget - $4.2 billion USD over four years. If such a system is identical, isn't it safe to assume Obamacare is going to be significantly overbudget - which agrees with the CBO after the bill was passed?

So basically your arguement is that those people didnt deserve the wages they were making because the corporations said so? The same corporations that pay their execs $20+M, and instead of looking in the mirror they blame it on the workers. As for where I work, I work for Caterpillar INC, so I see first hand how they treat unions as we deal with quite a few.  Plus my father and brother are both in unions themselves. And Im sure I will get a comment that Im baised because of this, so whatever.   Your last statement is a joke though,  corporations flee to non-union states so they can maximise profit by getting the cheapest workers possible.  Its the same reason the outsource jobs to other countries, its cheaper plain and simple.  Its cheaper to open a facility in some countries and hire over 100 engineers, with degrees not worth the paper they were printed on, than to just add 50 here. 

My argument is that people get the wages that the market dictates for their job, regardless of what it is. If workers are readily available for a given skill set, wages decrease. If workers are not readily available, wages increase. Its why doctors make more than fast food employees. Catepiller has 104,900 employees. If the average wage is $50,000 USD between income and benefits, and the CEO makes $20 million USD, which one has a much bigger financial burden on the company? The guy that makes $20m or the employees that collectively ake $5.4 billion dollars? Which one do you think has a bigger impact on the bottom line of the company?

Well i guess then our education system should be getting better and better than since it has less money now that federal funding has been cut for it,  since thats one of the reasons my taxes went up. And one of the reasons the tax cuts dont help people like me.

Education spending per capita is at an all-time high, and has been increasing for decades - far above the rate of inflation. Your argument about federal funding flies in the face of actual data on the subject:





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chocoloco said:

Since the Iconograph I was trying to paste in would not work I can only paste a link to it.

http://www.totallyoffbeat.com/congress-is-richer-than-you-infographic/

My main problem with Congress is they are so rich they do not understand the people they represent.  Also as the iconograph shows congress is already so rich they do not need to be paid. They are suppossed to be public servents so I say they should be working as volunteers for our country. So I ask you VGchartz what do you think about this issue.


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$93 million works out to being (roughly) 0.0025% of the US's federal budget ... not exactly what I would call a meaningful savings.

The runaway entitlement spending is the core problem with the budget and deficit, and it is not going to be addressed because it is a political "landmine". The issue is that these social programs are built off of good intentions with little/no evidence that they actually benefit anyone, but the majority of people don't care about results.



I'd cut congress' salary to $100,000 a year vs the 175,000 or so they make now... With salary only raising for "price of living" adjustments or nationally voted raises voted every 4 years during the presidential elections.


but it really wouldn't do much to the budget, or to making congressman more "in touch" with the regular man.

To be a serious candidate for congress you usually have to start by proving yourself to be a success in some way. Not many people are going to want to elect a Wal-Mart cashier to government office because they have no leadership experience or probably much knowledge on how government works.

So your best hope is to vote in "self made" rich people. Though they rarely are popular because self made men are usually Libertarians because well... they know how to make successful businesses... and self made men are usually "live and live" types socially because well, they started off in a place where they often weren't treated as well.



mrstickball said:
According to some congresswomen, they absolutely need that $170,000/yr salary to survive.

But at any rate, I agree. It should be a service to the American people to have such a high level of federal service. I say eliminate or significantly reduce salaries for congress, senate and presidency.

Oh, and Onibaka - you don't quite have a grasp of why the American medical system fails. It is not because we don't have a centrally planned service, but because of systemic problems with how our system works - a universal system would only make it worse, not better. Our private insurers cost $5,000/yr per person while our government plans cost between $7,000 and $8,000 per person per year. Costs would only go up, not down, with further government planning (and Obamacare is proof of this atrocity). Rather, to fix the problem we need to reform the entire system from who provides it, how they provide it, the regulations around our drugs, doctors and service centers, and of course, significantly reducing Medicare payouts which are intrinsically tied to hospital performance.


Yeah... it's worth noting that Nonprofit insurance is often more expensive then for profit insurance.

Our entire medical system is just screwed up, it's like the tax code.  Some buisnesses pay nothing, but some are paying 35%+ which is higher then most europeon corporate taxes. 

What the government needs to do is lower taxes, BUT get rid of all the loopholes.  So everybody actually pays the same fair amounts.  I bet you'd end up raising your revenue.

Medicaid causes such a huge problem because the guidelines are federal, when heatlchare problems are local.

 

50 medicaid plans that allows a focus on each regions healthcare problems would be way cheaper and effective then what we currently have.



It's populism in it's purest form.

93 milions of USD is nothing in the scale of US budget.

And it's probably less than bombs and rockets dropped in Libya cost each day.



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Zlejedi said:
It's populism in it's purest form.

93 milions of USD is nothing in the scale of US budget.

And it's probably less than bombs and rockets dropped in Libya cost each day.

Eh, if it's anything like Somalia, the bombs and rockets we're dropping in Libya are probably bombs that are going to be decomishoned anyway because they're too old.

Still a waste for the jet fuel and transporting the ammo over there though.

Stupid Europeon war that Obama thinks europe is too incompetant to fight on it's own.

 

Obama and Bush are so similar it's scary.  The only people who don't see it are the people who are too far in the dem or repubs camps.

I mean, is Obama's explination for defying the war powers act any better then the Bush explination for torture?