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Do you believe the USA government was involved in 9/11?

Yes 181 40.58%
 
No 201 45.07%
 
Maybe 61 13.68%
 
Total:443

I just joined VGChartz today and thought I'd have a look at this forum.

Needless to say I am awe-struck that so many people here consider the version of 9/11 that the media and government have fed you.

I will tell you that most people I know certainly see some faults in what's been presented. I have seen engineers, architects and physicists argue that those planes couldn't have been the only cause for the collapse of those buildings.

Sometimes you have to wade through the shit to get to the truth.



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Kasz216 said:
No wait... it was Mark Twain who said "You can't reason someone out of something they weren't reasoned into in the first place."

And he knows a thing or two about conspiracies. Afterall he was the one who figured out that there were aliens and a robot in San Fransico.


Wow, Cube just proved your point one post below. 



Metallicube said:

Kasz, don't make me laugh with that junk. debunking911.com is the biggest excuse I've seen for a "debunking" site ever. I have read through many of their arguments thoroughly and they do nothing more than distort information, cherrypick, and use vague statements and speculation to try and explain the mess that is the government's official conspiracy - a story with more holes in it than swiss cheese. They pick out the seemginly weakest arguments, while ignoring several others, to try and sway weak minded people into believing them. That is manipulation at its finest.

I'm sorry, but nothing is EVER going to convince me that a 47 story steel reinforced concrete building can implode in 7 seconds without explosives, especially when no plane hit it. The same way nothing will convince me that santa claus exists. There comes a point where you have to separate yourself from the mainstream media propaganda they consistantly pound into your head, and trust your own common sense, your own intuition.

@bolded  Thanks for showing your fatal flaw in your argument and discrediting everything you have stated.  Your mind is already made up and any facts given you will just blow off because it doesn't suit you needs. 

You say that the debunking site uses " distort information, cherrypick, and use vague statements and speculation to try and explain the mess that is the government's official conspiracy - a story with more holes in it than swiss cheese."  That is all your side is and worse.  You'll believe random people who don't know what they are talking about but refuse to listen to people with authority on the topic.



voty2000 said:
Kasz216 said:
No wait... it was Mark Twain who said "You can't reason someone out of something they weren't reasoned into in the first place."

And he knows a thing or two about conspiracies. Afterall he was the one who figured out that there were aliens and a robot in San Fransico.


Wow, Cube just proved your point one post below. 

Yep.  It really speeds things along when people admit willingly they can't look at something rationally.


I mean, anyone who makes a thermite arguement should be instantly discredited when you realize how much thermite you'd need to knock down the buildings...



Metallicube said:

Kasz, don't make me laugh with that junk. debunking911.com is the biggest excuse I've seen for a "debunking" site ever. I have read through many of their arguments thoroughly and they do nothing more than distort information, cherrypick, and use vague statements and speculation to try and explain the mess that is the government's official conspiracy - a story with more holes in it than swiss cheese. They pick out the seemginly weakest arguments, while ignoring several others, to try and sway weak minded people into believing them. That is manipulation at its finest.

I'm sorry, but nothing is EVER going to convince me that a 47 story steel reinforced concrete building can implode in 7 seconds without explosives, especially when no plane hit it. The same way nothing will convince me that santa claus exists. There comes a point where you have to separate yourself from the mainstream media propaganda they consistantly pound into your head, and trust your own common sense, your own intuition.

theres no point in arguing with these people. They are brainwashed and narrowminded. Nothing you can say will change there view. All the facts are there but they just cant accept it. If you presented all the facts to everyone in the country a good 30-40% would never believe you because they dont think "the best country in the world" would ever do anything like that.



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Yes and then they say Osama is not really dead, which just points out their own contradictions and hypocrisy, get over it people. Osama is a genius and he did it, he was able to shake the U.S into its knee and they are still feeling it. He triggered the iraq war, and the 3 economic downturn in the last 10 years.



hudsoniscool said:
Metallicube said:

Kasz, don't make me laugh with that junk. debunking911.com is the biggest excuse I've seen for a "debunking" site ever. I have read through many of their arguments thoroughly and they do nothing more than distort information, cherrypick, and use vague statements and speculation to try and explain the mess that is the government's official conspiracy - a story with more holes in it than swiss cheese. They pick out the seemginly weakest arguments, while ignoring several others, to try and sway weak minded people into believing them. That is manipulation at its finest.

I'm sorry, but nothing is EVER going to convince me that a 47 story steel reinforced concrete building can implode in 7 seconds without explosives, especially when no plane hit it. The same way nothing will convince me that santa claus exists. There comes a point where you have to separate yourself from the mainstream media propaganda they consistantly pound into your head, and trust your own common sense, your own intuition.

theres no point in arguing with these people. They are brainwashed and narrowminded. Nothing you can say will change there view. All the facts are there but they just cant accept it. If you presented all the facts to everyone in the country a good 30-40% would never believe you because they dont think "the best country in the world" would ever do anything like that.


I love this mentality.  We can't convince people that our theory is true because we have crappy "evidence" so they must be brainwashed.  Calling people brainwashed is a cop-out.  It means that you can't provide sufficient proof to convert so you hide behind this saying to make you feel better about your flawed opinion.

Let's look at this logically.  There are thousands upon thousands of engineers across the globe.  Now, we can assume that the engineers in the USA are unreliable because they don't want to make their country look bad and I'll concede to that even though it is crap. 

But there is the rest of the world.  The rest of the world that looks for any flaw that the USA has and uses it as ammo against them.  Do you actually think that all those engineers all over the world would just let this slip?  If it was a conspiracy, do you honestly think there wouldn't be thousands of engineers showing conclusively that the towers were in fact detonated?  An engineer in China or Afghanistan has to reason to defend the USA so why aren't they speaking up? 

But no, lets believe a few folks and ignore the vast majority of real engineers with integrity.  I just can't comprehend people that ignore the fact that if planes couldn't cause the towers to collapse then thousands of credible engineers would point it out. 

But I am brainwashed I guess because I use logic.  It's just funny hearing it from you.  It's like a blind man telling me my shirt is pink when it's actually green.



i love how the people in this thread that present real evidence against ignorant rantings backed with ludicrous claims from discredited lunatics with agendas suddenly become the "brainwashed and narrowminded". please stop just digging yourself deeper holes and dig a little further through your obsessive bullshit instead. if you would only look with an open mind you would see how deranged and pathetic you are behaving.

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i know most of you probably cannot help yourselves, but i do hope that you are able to achieve some level of help in your lives that allows you to have some rational and logical reflections upon your positions.



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Porcupine_I said:
I don't know why conspiracy theories always have to be so complicated!

if the government was involved in ANY way, i would picture it like this:

"Mister President we have information about a planned Terrorist attack on the United States"

"Terrorist attack? Bombs huh? Well, i was looking for a excuse to wage war anyway, we stand down and let them do their thing and see what happens"

*WTC goes down*

WTF i didn't expect THAT!

That's how I think things went down.



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Porcupine_I said:
arcane_chaos said:
RCTjunkie said:
....are you serious?


this

I think for all the conspiracy theorist, I recommend watching the History Channels "9/11 conspiracy: fact or fiction", they really hammered away every aspect of all the events of 9/11(from the twin towers to pentagon") coming from the 9/11 theorist, BUT they also do include their side.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1Gc_Wyotzw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SpADWOCqCs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHZ4w8feL1g&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxa5dLSIWrM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B3BBD6_g6U&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiSaZRmzCm8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7MIQtPklzs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikovKyhWGcE&feature=related

 videos are 1-9 in decending order though part 5 is missing..too lazy to really look for it, part 5 was more on the pentagon crash and the plane(united 93) that crashed in Pennslyvania, part 6 has a little bit of it

you want us to believe in videos on youtube? you must be crazy man! ....oh, wait....


no, you're right, you  can't believe everything on the internet, that's how WWII started! ;)