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MARCUSDJACKSON said:
yea the last comment was way off base.

a rapist won't rape you because of how you dress and if thats the case then why do old women in nursing homes get raped?

the victim sometimes may send the wrong signal to someone shes on a date with. but does that mean she should be victimized?

if a rapist wants you then the only thing's that will stop him is him or the potential victims ability to take him out.

in other words the cop gave/gives bad advice.

Going by what the cop said... they must dress like sluts.



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sapphi_snake said:
Faxanadu said:
sapphi_snake said:
Dr.Grass said:


I find the whole 'slutwalk march' ridiculous. There are 11 and 12 year old girls walking there and for what? 

The police officer could've perhaps used different words, but what he said is in essence correct.

Dunno what this has to do with this forum and internet.

 

Caption:Organisers of the worldwide events are trying to reclaim the word 'slut'

^I mean come on. These 1st world protestors could be doing something actually worthwhile. 

So women are to blame because they get raped? What's next? Blaming people who get robbed because they have things of value in their house?


No all that was said is that if they dress in a certain way the chances of being raped increase.

I would call that good advice.

As I said, talking on an expensive phone on the street also is more likely to lead to you getting mugged, yet I never hear anyone tell people to keep avoid talking on their mobile phones in public.


Actually that's quite a common advise where I live... You are not really making a lot of sense.



 

sapphi_snake said:

@Kasz216:

Most do anyway.  Some evloutionary biologicsts say differently... though none of it is ever based on numbers.  Just on... "Evolutionary biology is real, therefore rape is some weird biologcal anomly from back when we were animals and there was no consent and male animals just took their mates."

Wait... so those scenes you see in cartoons with cavemen smacking cavewomen on the head with clubs and then dragging them by the hair to the cave actually happened? Anyways, while rape does happen in the wild, I don't think that's how the majority of copulations go down. It's generally the women going with the most capable suitor, no?


shit...no need to go all the way back to cavemen...just go watch some john wayne films ...he does stuff like that in a bunch of them lol



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MrBubbles said:
sapphi_snake said:

@Kasz216:

Most do anyway.  Some evloutionary biologicsts say differently... though none of it is ever based on numbers.  Just on... "Evolutionary biology is real, therefore rape is some weird biologcal anomly from back when we were animals and there was no consent and male animals just took their mates."

Wait... so those scenes you see in cartoons with cavemen smacking cavewomen on the head with clubs and then dragging them by the hair to the cave actually happened? Anyways, while rape does happen in the wild, I don't think that's how the majority of copulations go down. It's generally the women going with the most capable suitor, no?


shit...no need to go all the way back to cavemen...just go watch some john wayne films ...he does stuff like that in a bunch of them lol

Well, that sure says a lot about him...



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Kirameo said:


Actually that's quite a common advise where I live... You are not really making a lot of sense.

Someone already posted links to scientific studies that show that wearing sexy clothes actually decreases the chances of a woman getting raped. Check the links out.



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sapphi_snake said:
Kirameo said:


Actually that's quite a common advise where I live... You are not really making a lot of sense.

Someone already posted links to scientific studies that show that wearing sexy clothes actually decreases the chances of a woman getting raped. Check the links out.


Well, that's nice. It's just that I find it ridiculous that these women would protest for such a silly statement made by an individual. Maybe I don't have the full story but it just seems dumb to me, like they are just craving attention.



 

sapphi_snake said:
Kirameo said:


Actually that's quite a common advise where I live... You are not really making a lot of sense.

Someone already posted links to scientific studies that show that wearing sexy clothes actually decreases the chances of a woman getting raped. Check the links out.

That's not what the studies show. It was a misinterpretation done by the author of the blog. The writer clearly used the same reasoning and studies done by the people which shows that rapists prey on their victims by looking at their motions. The more confident a person seems the more decreased chance of getting raped.

The author misinterpreted it into meaning something else like wear sexy clothes and decrease the chances of getting raped. That's complete BS utter nonsense. If a person is not comfortable in sexy clothes they will lose their confidence rather than gaining it, so that's ill-advice too. How in the world will wearing sexy clothes decrease chances of rape when the studies that the author was using clearly stated that clothing was not a factor?



sapphi_snake said:
MrBubbles said:
sapphi_snake said:

@Kasz216:

Most do anyway.  Some evloutionary biologicsts say differently... though none of it is ever based on numbers.  Just on... "Evolutionary biology is real, therefore rape is some weird biologcal anomly from back when we were animals and there was no consent and male animals just took their mates."

Wait... so those scenes you see in cartoons with cavemen smacking cavewomen on the head with clubs and then dragging them by the hair to the cave actually happened? Anyways, while rape does happen in the wild, I don't think that's how the majority of copulations go down. It's generally the women going with the most capable suitor, no?


shit...no need to go all the way back to cavemen...just go watch some john wayne films ...he does stuff like that in a bunch of them lol

Well, that sure says a lot about him...


woman all seem to love john wayne too...go figure *shrug*



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sapphi_snake said:

@Kasz216:

Most do anyway.  Some evloutionary biologicsts say differently... though none of it is ever based on numbers.  Just on... "Evolutionary biology is real, therefore rape is some weird biologcal anomly from back when we were animals and there was no consent and male animals just took their mates."

Wait... so those scenes you see in cartoons with cavemen smacking cavewomen on the head with clubs and then dragging them by the hair to the cave actually happened? Anyways, while rape does happen in the wild, I don't think that's how the majority of copulations go down. It's generally the women going with the most capable suitor, no?

(BTW, to what part of my post was this a reply to?)

There is one real outlier in the studies though.  Prostitutes.  Obviously not many are dressed conservativly, and they are often raped, largely because they know there is little they can do.  First they'd have to explain why they were where they were, and many have been picked up before, so cops might just assume it was a john who later refused to pay.

Well, that and it's not unheard of... and actually way more common then it should be, for a vice cop to bust a prostitute, then threaten to turn her in... unless...

Yet again another reason why prostitution should be legalized. (I also doubt their clothes were a significant factor though)


Don't know.
  Evolutionary biology and psychology suggests that since we evolved from primates that all of our current thinking is based off of how primates used to act and every decision we make is still based on and controlled by the evolutionary thinking of our ancestor animals.  So that every decision an average person can make is likely based on a decision an animal in our chain would make. 

For example, fear of the dark is fairly widespread among all cultures often attributed to the fact that many predators of primates hunted at night. (VS say, the fact that in the dark... things are... DARK therefore we can't see as well, therefore more noises are unexplained and vision is our primary sense being how we navigate in the world..)

Evolutionary biology/psychology/sociology of this kind is basically a hasty "prove all" for people who want to be able to explain human thinking.  They think humans have free will because they can choose options... but given the same options and scenario they will ALWAYS pick the same option... and why they pick this can be traced back to human kinds ancestors.  The ironic part is people who do this research are often considered extreme right wingers... even though it's  essentially done only by atheists.  Maybe beacuse it's more popular in europe.  I'm not sure if the same Right wing = more religious correlation happens in europe.  Heck, evolutionary biology says religions were created specifically because for some reason they provided some surivival advantage (more cooperation within groups) or as a byproduct of other survival advantages. (Abstract thinking, the ability to perceive that others have consiousness and understanding of mortality.  Though i'd note that at the very least 2 and 3 would suggest most animals have gods.  I think animals have shown abstract thinking as well, at least some, however i'm unsure of that).

Well that's what an outlier is more often then not.  A datapoint that doesn't fit with what is ususally observed, usually do to external pressuers.  I brought it up to cut off a future arguement involving prostitutes should someone else feel like mentioning it.  It was a common technique of Freud.  Much less people argue if you are able to counter their objections without them having to present them, because they no longer think you are just uninformed and the less longer into an arguement people are, the more likely they are to admit they are wrong.

Hence a "Hanging trap" where you deliberatly don't adress someone to show them being illogical by them either contradicting their other point, or having a load of data really is only useful when the other person has a history of not changing their mind.


 




oh look on the news right now they are talking about a rash of "up-skirt" predators taking videos and photos of women in short skirts. guess their clothing has nothing at all to do with them being victimized liked this.



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