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d21lewis on 02 June 2011

He keeps beating the guy with the Triforce of Power.  That means he's more powerful than powerful.  Also, Nintendo's motto used to be "Now you're playing with power".  At the time, I was playing as LInk.



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Raze on 02 June 2011
RolStoppable said:
radiantshadow92 said:

Kratos was never weak, Zues was controlling his life from the get go. And they did way more than just kill his family. Thats why he wanted to just kill all of them in the third game to be free from it all and finally take his revenge. How can you even call kratos weak when you haven't beaten the trilogy? You don't even know how it turns out or if kratos changes for the better. 

That's a ridiculous plot. If Zeus was controlling Kratos all along, then why did Kratos have to lose a battle that caused him to make a deal with Ares? 

Hey, no one said the game nor the storyline was any GOOD. I think it was written by three 14 year old. =P  Someone said before that the characters are as powerful as the devs. Then Kratos is pretty weak, because the devs aren't impressive at all once you take away the shiny graphics.



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milkyjoe on 02 June 2011
Ninpanda said:

I don't want to get sucked into this, and I want to see someone actually respond to this post with a better argument than "Nu-uh, Kratos is better!", so I'll just leave this here.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3344584

You know when you're reading a debate online, and you see someone say... you just won the internet after some minor point...

Well, Khuutra did actually win the internet with that.

I like how it's been completely ignored though in the rest of this thread...



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IrishCollie on 02 June 2011

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3344584

 

Completly agreed. He backs it up with actual research rather than being an immature fanboy :)



Saruk on 02 June 2011
radiantshadow92 said:
Saruk said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Saruk said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Saruk said:
radiantshadow92 said:

This generation infamous has sold more than those games individually. Either way if someone made a thread about kirby vs kratos....well lets just say it would be funny lol. 

Aren't we looking at the characters though and not their individual games?

There is no way to prove that any of these characters are more popular than the other because its acutally pretty close. Fire emblem is unheard of, Metroid Prime is pretty unheard of this gen, maybe kirby because he had his own tv show.

If there is no way to prove it why did you say Cole was more popular in the first place? Judging by the sales of the characters in question (which you previously stated) he's not. Also, Fire Emblem and Metroid Prime are not characters, they are series. We are looking at the popularity of the characters, it's not between Cole, Metroid Prime and Fire Emblem. It would be Cole, Samus, Roy, and Kirby. Out of these I would say Cole and Roy are the least popular and Samus and Kirby are more popular. Samus and Kirby have been in much more games which have sold much more units so the characters are more popular/well-known/established. It's hard for me to see how their popularity vs Cole's is in question.

Im comparing the games not the characters. And i specifically said, that infamous is more popular according to sales this gen. And that is true. If we are talking characters im not to sure that samus beats cole out anymore. Kirby probably, no one knows who roy is or ike is really. Eiterh way who cares were talking about fights, and those characters wouldn't matter anyways becasue kratos would kill all of them lol

"And Cole is still more popular then all those characters going by sales." This sounds like a comparison between the characters, not the games. It makes no sense to rule out games from last gen and limit it to sales of individual games from this gen. And why would Samus no longer beat out Cole? Was Samus suddenly forgotten by all her fans over the years? Like I said, i'm not sure how you can take characters that have been around for generations and compare their popularity with a new character from this gen.

Like i said there is no real way to tell. I was just going by sales this gen. Samus has really fallen off. While infamous 2 will go on to sell 3 million units. But like i said it doesnt matter =p

Viper took care of this I'd say, I will also add that Ike, Marth and Kirby are also in brawl so more people have seen them this gen. :P Anyway, the derailment ends here.




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Mr Khan on 02 June 2011
Staude said:
Viper1 said:
radiantshadow92 said:

Like i said there is no real way to tell. I was just going by sales this gen. Samus has really fallen off. While infamous 2 will go on to sell 3 million units. But like i said it doesnt matter =p

Since you're judging popularity by the sales of the games the character is in this generation, let's really have a look at that, shall we?

Cole:
Infamous - 1.95 million
Total - 1.95 million

Samus:
Metroid Prime 3 - 1.59 million
Metroid: Other M - 0.82 million
Metroid prime Trilogy - 0.62 million
Total - 3.03 million

And if we want to include ALL games they've appeared in this generation, we have to toss in Super Smash Brothers Brawl at 10.35 million.

Even by your own metric Samus is more popular this generation.

Metroid games are probably sold to the same people. With that taken into the account and that smash probably wasn't sold on samus as a character but rather the idea of smash brothers, cole is more popular this day and age. It's not something that matters, but while reading this thread I was waiting for someone to point out, that just because a character was popular 20 years ago, does not mean the character is popular today. It's like saying that because crash bandicoot was awesome the new crash is also awesome today.

Character popularity is distinct from game popularity, and i would certainly say that far more people know who Samus is than who Cole is at this time, even though Infamous has outperformed every Metroid game this gen (and every Metroid game except the original and Prime 1, come to that)

Cole as a character will be less than a footnote in gaming history. Samus will endure



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IMU1808 on 02 June 2011

Because admiting Kratos is more powerful just wouldn't feel right.



Saruk on 02 June 2011
Staude said:
Viper1 said:
radiantshadow92 said:

Like i said there is no real way to tell. I was just going by sales this gen. Samus has really fallen off. While infamous 2 will go on to sell 3 million units. But like i said it doesnt matter =p

Since you're judging popularity by the sales of the games the character is in this generation, let's really have a look at that, shall we?

Cole:
Infamous - 1.95 million
Total - 1.95 million

Samus:
Metroid Prime 3 - 1.59 million
Metroid: Other M - 0.82 million
Metroid prime Trilogy - 0.62 million
Total - 3.03 million

And if we want to include ALL games they've appeared in this generation, we have to toss in Super Smash Brothers Brawl at 10.35 million.

Even by your own metric Samus is more popular this generation.

Metroid games are probably sold to the same people. With that taken into the account and that smash probably wasn't sold on samus as a character but rather the idea of smash brothers, cole is more popular this day and age. It's not something that matters, but while reading this thread I was waiting for someone to point out, that just because a character was popular 20 years ago, does not mean the character is popular today. It's like saying that because crash bandicoot was awesome the new crash is also awesome today.

It really doesn't matter that smash brothers didn't sell because of those charcters, the fact is they were exposed to more people than Cole was. So more people know who Kirby and Samus are, the fact that you can play has Zero Suit Samus alone got a lot of buzz :P. And it doesn't matter if less people bought Metroid or Kirby games today, the fans of yesterday still know these characters and acting as if they are nonexistent doesn't make sense.




thetonestarr on 02 June 2011

It's already been debated to death, and the conclusion was that fanboys will choose their side regardless of the facts, but the pure in-game statistics support Link.



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radiantshadow92 on 02 June 2011
Raze said:
RolStoppable said:
radiantshadow92 said:

Kratos was never weak, Zues was controlling his life from the get go. And they did way more than just kill his family. Thats why he wanted to just kill all of them in the third game to be free from it all and finally take his revenge. How can you even call kratos weak when you haven't beaten the trilogy? You don't even know how it turns out or if kratos changes for the better. 

That's a ridiculous plot. If Zeus was controlling Kratos all along, then why did Kratos have to lose a battle that caused him to make a deal with Ares? 

Hey, no one said the game nor the storyline was any GOOD. I think it was written by three 14 year old. =P  Someone said before that the characters are as powerful as the devs. Then Kratos is pretty weak, because the devs aren't impressive at all once you take away the shiny graphics.

Yeah because perfecting hack and slash gameplay is really easy -_-. Its post like these that piss me off. Just disgracing the devs of one of my favorite franchises. HAve you even played the GOW series?