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Viper1 on 03 June 2011
Superman4 said:

The only improvment over the PS3 would be more RAM. Aside from that I would say it is close. Cell may still be a better chipset though.

You don't know too much about computer components, do you?  The CPU and GPU are both highly superior to the PS3's CELL and RSX.



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HappySqurriel on 03 June 2011
zarx said:
Onibaka said:
zarx said:
Onibaka said:

What is the most funny  in the Cafe is that it will be probably  the same price or even cheaper to produce than a PS3

CPU: /- same price.

GPU: A little more expensive for Nintendo.

Disk drive and HDD: If Nintendo uses DVD and no HDD, the the costs will drop significantly against PS3.

Memory: Must be the double of the PS3 Memory price.

Controller: If Cafe is more expensive than the PS3, than it's because of the controller....

Conclusion->  If Cafe don't have HDD, I can see the production cost only a little higher than the PS3. But the question is what price Nintendo will request from their consumers...$399? $349?

actually the PS3 uses very expensive XDR memory and GDDR3 VRAM, GDDR5 today is cheaper than both so even with more memory it could end up being cheaper...


According to the OP, the Wii is using XDR2, better than the PS3's XDR.

which is another clue to the fact that this is fake, everything else is generation old tech that fits with Nintendo's current trend of using tried and tested tech in their devices, why go for extreemly expensive RAM that no one uses and pair it with a last generation CPU? That and the fact that it has the rumered 512MB of RAM but also uses 1GB VRAM even tho past nintendo systems all have more shared RAM and a small amount of VRAM and other systems use equel ammounts.

The reason why a company might take this approach is because they're trying to increase performance through eliminating bottlenecks within their system; and memory is one of the key bottlenecks in all systems today. While there is more to it than this, pairing up an old CPU with very fast memory is exactly what Nintendo's strategy with the Gamecube ,,,



Goodlife on 03 June 2011
allaboutthegames885 said:

So what you guys are saying is that in computer terms storage does not equal memory, I did not know that! :P


Hard Disk Drive = Bookcase

Memory = Reading Table

Books are stored in the bookcase, nice and compact, so you can fit lots of books in it.

When you want to read a book, you have to put it on the reading table and open it up, so you aren't able to fit many open books on the table.



Play4Fun on 03 June 2011
Goodlife said:
allaboutthegames885 said:

So what you guys are saying is that in computer terms storage does not equal memory, I did not know that! :P


Hard Disk Drive = Bookcase

Memory = Reading Table

Books are stored in the bookcase, nice and compact, so you can fit lots of books in it.

When you want to read a book, you have to put it on the reading table and open it up, so you aren't able to fit many open books on the table.


Hey! That's the same example in my textbook! =O



zarx on 03 June 2011
HappySqurriel said:
zarx said:
Onibaka said:
zarx said:
Onibaka said:

What is the most funny  in the Cafe is that it will be probably  the same price or even cheaper to produce than a PS3

CPU: /- same price.

GPU: A little more expensive for Nintendo.

Disk drive and HDD: If Nintendo uses DVD and no HDD, the the costs will drop significantly against PS3.

Memory: Must be the double of the PS3 Memory price.

Controller: If Cafe is more expensive than the PS3, than it's because of the controller....

Conclusion->  If Cafe don't have HDD, I can see the production cost only a little higher than the PS3. But the question is what price Nintendo will request from their consumers...$399? $349?

actually the PS3 uses very expensive XDR memory and GDDR3 VRAM, GDDR5 today is cheaper than both so even with more memory it could end up being cheaper...


According to the OP, the Wii is using XDR2, better than the PS3's XDR.

which is another clue to the fact that this is fake, everything else is generation old tech that fits with Nintendo's current trend of using tried and tested tech in their devices, why go for extreemly expensive RAM that no one uses and pair it with a last generation CPU? That and the fact that it has the rumered 512MB of RAM but also uses 1GB VRAM even tho past nintendo systems all have more shared RAM and a small amount of VRAM and other systems use equel ammounts.

The reason why a company might take this approach is because they're trying to increase performance through eliminating bottlenecks within their system; and memory is one of the key bottlenecks in all systems today. While there is more to it than this, pairing up an old CPU with very fast memory is exactly what Nintendo's strategy with the Gamecube ,,,


The gekko was actually a cutting edge CPU at the time it was just underclocked to keep the console small.



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HappySqurriel on 03 June 2011
zarx said:
HappySqurriel said:
zarx said:
Onibaka said:
zarx said:
Onibaka said:

What is the most funny  in the Cafe is that it will be probably  the same price or even cheaper to produce than a PS3

CPU: /- same price.

GPU: A little more expensive for Nintendo.

Disk drive and HDD: If Nintendo uses DVD and no HDD, the the costs will drop significantly against PS3.

Memory: Must be the double of the PS3 Memory price.

Controller: If Cafe is more expensive than the PS3, than it's because of the controller....

Conclusion->  If Cafe don't have HDD, I can see the production cost only a little higher than the PS3. But the question is what price Nintendo will request from their consumers...$399? $349?

actually the PS3 uses very expensive XDR memory and GDDR3 VRAM, GDDR5 today is cheaper than both so even with more memory it could end up being cheaper...


According to the OP, the Wii is using XDR2, better than the PS3's XDR.

which is another clue to the fact that this is fake, everything else is generation old tech that fits with Nintendo's current trend of using tried and tested tech in their devices, why go for extreemly expensive RAM that no one uses and pair it with a last generation CPU? That and the fact that it has the rumered 512MB of RAM but also uses 1GB VRAM even tho past nintendo systems all have more shared RAM and a small amount of VRAM and other systems use equel ammounts.

The reason why a company might take this approach is because they're trying to increase performance through eliminating bottlenecks within their system; and memory is one of the key bottlenecks in all systems today. While there is more to it than this, pairing up an old CPU with very fast memory is exactly what Nintendo's strategy with the Gamecube ,,,


The gekko was actually a cutting edge CPU at the time it was just underclocked to keep the console small.

The Gekko was based on the Power3 processor core which was first introduced in 1997, and while the Power3 continued to be updated and the Gekko was highly modified it was far from cutting edge when the Gamecube was released. The Gamecube was a technical marvel because it was so well balanced and efficient, not because it's technology was new or impressive.



zarx on 03 June 2011
HappySqurriel said:
zarx said:
HappySqurriel said:
zarx said:
Onibaka said:
zarx said:
Onibaka said:

What is the most funny  in the Cafe is that it will be probably  the same price or even cheaper to produce than a PS3

CPU: /- same price.

GPU: A little more expensive for Nintendo.

Disk drive and HDD: If Nintendo uses DVD and no HDD, the the costs will drop significantly against PS3.

Memory: Must be the double of the PS3 Memory price.

Controller: If Cafe is more expensive than the PS3, than it's because of the controller....

Conclusion->  If Cafe don't have HDD, I can see the production cost only a little higher than the PS3. But the question is what price Nintendo will request from their consumers...$399? $349?

actually the PS3 uses very expensive XDR memory and GDDR3 VRAM, GDDR5 today is cheaper than both so even with more memory it could end up being cheaper...


According to the OP, the Wii is using XDR2, better than the PS3's XDR.

which is another clue to the fact that this is fake, everything else is generation old tech that fits with Nintendo's current trend of using tried and tested tech in their devices, why go for extreemly expensive RAM that no one uses and pair it with a last generation CPU? That and the fact that it has the rumered 512MB of RAM but also uses 1GB VRAM even tho past nintendo systems all have more shared RAM and a small amount of VRAM and other systems use equel ammounts.

The reason why a company might take this approach is because they're trying to increase performance through eliminating bottlenecks within their system; and memory is one of the key bottlenecks in all systems today. While there is more to it than this, pairing up an old CPU with very fast memory is exactly what Nintendo's strategy with the Gamecube ,,,


The gekko was actually a cutting edge CPU at the time it was just underclocked to keep the console small.

The Gekko was based on the Power3 processor core which was first introduced in 1997, and while the Power3 continued to be updated and the Gekko was highly modified it was far from cutting edge when the Gamecube was released. The Gamecube was a technical marvel because it was so well balanced and efficient, not because it's technology was new or impressive.


The RAD750 was seccond generation with a new cache architecture, very different to the origonal Power 3, and the Gekko is further modified. Also the power 4 architecture was introduced in 2001 a year after the gamecube was finalised so it was still IBM's latest architecture. Power 7 is already a year old and power 7 is already 4 years old. IBM are also already working on seccond generation power 7 chips now.



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Viper1 on 03 June 2011
HappySqurriel said:
zarx said:


The gekko was actually a cutting edge CPU at the time it was just underclocked to keep the console small.

The Gekko was based on the Power3 processor core which was first introduced in 1997, and while the Power3 continued to be updated and the Gekko was highly modified it was far from cutting edge when the Gamecube was released. The Gamecube was a technical marvel because it was so well balanced and efficient, not because it's technology was new or impressive.

Actually it was PowerPC 750CXe based but you are correct otherwise.   The POWER and PowerPC lines get confused a lot.



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