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Mr Khan on 31 May 2011
Runa216 said:

Sony has always been the console for people who like variety.  The Xbox is a very US-centric system, so Western RPG's, Shooters, and Racers there, Wii focuses on platformers and all ages games.  Playstation doesn't have a niche, which is both it's greatest weakness and it's best quality.  It's got racers, action games, adventure games, platformers, shooters, puzzle games, you name a genre is has some exclusives.  hell, I still think that Killzone is a better FPS than Halo, but that'll only result in anger.  Look at it this way: 

Action - Metal Gear Solid, God of War, Heavenly Sword
Adventure - Uncharted, inFamous
Racing - Gran Turismo, ModNation Racers, Motorstorm
Platformers - Ratchet and Clank, LittleBigPlanet
Shooters - Resistance, Killzone, MAG
Sports - MLB: The Show
RPG - Final Fantasy vsXIII, Demon's Souls, 3D Dot Game HEroes (shuddap, that game ruled!) 

So yeah, the console has a wide variety of games.  Wii has their staples:  Mario, Metroid, Zelda, Donkey Kong, Kirby, Wii titles, Epic Mickey, Smash Brothers, etc, but nothing else of value really.  No Pokemon, no great Third Party games other than No More HEroes or MadWorld (is that third party?) 

Xbox 360 is also pretty much geared towards a certain crowd.  Halo series, Gears of War series, LEft 4 Dead series (if you don't include PC), Fable, Mass Effect (1, anyway), Viva Pinata, Project Gotham, Forza....that's a whole lot of shooters, some western RPG's, Racing games, and whatever Viva Pinata is.  Most of which are also on PC (I like to not include PC becuase it makes 360 look even worse if that's factored into the argument.)  

All systems have their good games, which is why fanboys are so frustrating, it just happens to be that Nintendo and Microsoft have each cornered their respective market and showered them with advertising, so their sales are through the Roof.  sony has the best variety and quality in its exclusives, but are very passive in their marketing, so people don't buy them as much.  a shame, too, becuase I happen to think that quality should speak for itself. 

Epic Mickey is third party. Monster Hunter Tri was fairly significant, as Dragon Quest X will be



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Torillian on 31 May 2011

All that work with Wikipedia when there's a list of Sony owned franchises/IPs right here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment

believe all of the ones you were uncertain of are owned by Sony.   Even says 3DDGH is Sony owned which I'm not sure about, could just be one of those Wiki errors that pops up every now and then.



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Torillian on 31 May 2011
padib said:
Torillian said:

All that work with Wikipedia when there's a list of Sony owned franchises/IPs right here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment

believe all of the ones you were uncertain of are owned by Sony.   Even says 3DDGH is Sony owned which I'm not sure about, could just be one of those Wiki errors that pops up every now and then.


Well, the table can now be filled. Lots of work yeah, sometimes you win or you lose on google. That's why we're many, some will find on a first try, some won't find at all. I looked up Sony IPs, Sony Intellectual Properties, but got nothing, so there you have it.

I'll update this in a sec.

Oh I only know because I've had this kind of argument before, useful list for proving to people that Demon's Souls is indeed a Sony owned IP.



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Torillian on 31 May 2011
padib said:

K thanks, I updated the table too. It would be great to work on the list in the link you sent me, to see how many are relatively new (from PS2 era and up). I may do that later. It's more for the case when some say that Nintendo doesn't pump out new IPs but Sony does, the facts don't really point to that. They point to both pumping out new IPs, but Nintendo ultimately having the upper hand in total new IPs. Maybe I should make a seperate thread for that though, what do you think?


you could make a thread for the overall comparison if you like, may as well toss MS in the mix as well just to make it all official.  Could just be a reply here too, either would work, your choice.



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leatherhat on 31 May 2011
IamAwsome said:
Ail said:

Nintendo franchise sell better but they do not cover as many gaming genres.

Aside from the titles with Wii in their names Nintendo has failed to develop new IP this gen too, they made nice improvement on old recipes but have failed to come up with new ones...( and the issue with the Wii games is aside from the Nintendo name on the box they are not really IP you can copyright which has led to a drove of copies ( heck even Move Sport Champions and Kinect adventures are just copies).)

Sony lost many third party exclusives but did a very nice job developing successfull new IPs covering a wide range of genres ( Uncharted, LBP, Heavy Rain, ResistanceFoM to name a few).

Microsoft has a few IPs that are very successfull, the issue is that they cater mostly to the same crowd.( and CoD success has made it so that the fact that Sony not having a big FPS isn't that much an issue).

While I do agree that Nintendo needs to make some new IPs, I don't agree that Sony's IPs cover more gaming genres. The only genre that Sony has that Nintendo doesn't have is FPS, and Sports sims. Nintendo has several genres that Sony doesn't have like fighting games, RTS, and RPGs. I think that overall, Nintendo's games cover more genres then Sony's games.


I cant think of any nintendo rts games, and sony has a bunch or rpgs. And smash brothers is hardly a fair candidate for fighting game since its just the same nintendo characters as always and not a new IP.



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Mr Khan on 31 May 2011
leatherhat said:
IamAwsome said:
Ail said:

Nintendo franchise sell better but they do not cover as many gaming genres.

Aside from the titles with Wii in their names Nintendo has failed to develop new IP this gen too, they made nice improvement on old recipes but have failed to come up with new ones...( and the issue with the Wii games is aside from the Nintendo name on the box they are not really IP you can copyright which has led to a drove of copies ( heck even Move Sport Champions and Kinect adventures are just copies).)

Sony lost many third party exclusives but did a very nice job developing successfull new IPs covering a wide range of genres ( Uncharted, LBP, Heavy Rain, ResistanceFoM to name a few).

Microsoft has a few IPs that are very successfull, the issue is that they cater mostly to the same crowd.( and CoD success has made it so that the fact that Sony not having a big FPS isn't that much an issue).

While I do agree that Nintendo needs to make some new IPs, I don't agree that Sony's IPs cover more gaming genres. The only genre that Sony has that Nintendo doesn't have is FPS, and Sports sims. Nintendo has several genres that Sony doesn't have like fighting games, RTS, and RPGs. I think that overall, Nintendo's games cover more genres then Sony's games.


I cant think of any nintendo rts games, and sony has a bunch or rpgs. And smash brothers is hardly a fair candidate for fighting game since its just the same nintendo characters as always and not a new IP.

Pikmin. Also Battallion Wars to a certain extent



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IamAwsome on 31 May 2011
leatherhat said:
IamAwsome said:
Ail said:

Nintendo franchise sell better but they do not cover as many gaming genres.

Aside from the titles with Wii in their names Nintendo has failed to develop new IP this gen too, they made nice improvement on old recipes but have failed to come up with new ones...( and the issue with the Wii games is aside from the Nintendo name on the box they are not really IP you can copyright which has led to a drove of copies ( heck even Move Sport Champions and Kinect adventures are just copies).)

Sony lost many third party exclusives but did a very nice job developing successfull new IPs covering a wide range of genres ( Uncharted, LBP, Heavy Rain, ResistanceFoM to name a few).

Microsoft has a few IPs that are very successfull, the issue is that they cater mostly to the same crowd.( and CoD success has made it so that the fact that Sony not having a big FPS isn't that much an issue).

While I do agree that Nintendo needs to make some new IPs, I don't agree that Sony's IPs cover more gaming genres. The only genre that Sony has that Nintendo doesn't have is FPS, and Sports sims. Nintendo has several genres that Sony doesn't have like fighting games, RTS, and RPGs. I think that overall, Nintendo's games cover more genres then Sony's games.


I cant think of any nintendo rts games, and sony has a bunch or rpgs. And smash brothers is hardly a fair candidate for fighting game since its just the same nintendo characters as always and not a new IP.

A Nintendo RTS game would be Pikmin. Also how is Smash Bros any less of a fighting game then somthing like Street Fighter, just because it has the same characters? So a game like Streets of Rage isn't a fighting game either because it has the same characters in each one? Another thing, I never said Smash Bros.was a new IP.



osamanobama on 31 May 2011
padib said:

 

Platformers Little Big Planet Media Molecule No 0 Yes*
 




More info

These studios are not 1st party, the developed games IP do belong Sony in this case:

Insomniac Games (R&C, Resistance)

Konami (MGS)

Square Enix (FF)

Media Molecule (LBP)

From Software (Demon's Souls)

Sucker Punch Productions (inFamous)

Ninja Theory (Heavenly Sword)

United Front Games (ModNation)

High Impact Games (R&C)

Sanzaru Games (R&C)

Silicon Studio (3D Dot Game Heroes)

These developers are owned by Sony and their games are property of Sony:

Naughty Dog (Uncharted)

Guerilla Games (Killzone)

Zipper Interactive (MAG)

SCE San Diego (MLB: The Show, ModNation)

SCE Studios Santa Monica (GOW)

Polyphony Digital (GT)

Evolution Studios (Motorstorm)

 

media molecule IS owned by Sony



leatherhat on 31 May 2011
Mr Khan said:
leatherhat said:
IamAwsome said:
Ail said:

Nintendo franchise sell better but they do not cover as many gaming genres.

Aside from the titles with Wii in their names Nintendo has failed to develop new IP this gen too, they made nice improvement on old recipes but have failed to come up with new ones...( and the issue with the Wii games is aside from the Nintendo name on the box they are not really IP you can copyright which has led to a drove of copies ( heck even Move Sport Champions and Kinect adventures are just copies).)

Sony lost many third party exclusives but did a very nice job developing successfull new IPs covering a wide range of genres ( Uncharted, LBP, Heavy Rain, ResistanceFoM to name a few).

Microsoft has a few IPs that are very successfull, the issue is that they cater mostly to the same crowd.( and CoD success has made it so that the fact that Sony not having a big FPS isn't that much an issue).

While I do agree that Nintendo needs to make some new IPs, I don't agree that Sony's IPs cover more gaming genres. The only genre that Sony has that Nintendo doesn't have is FPS, and Sports sims. Nintendo has several genres that Sony doesn't have like fighting games, RTS, and RPGs. I think that overall, Nintendo's games cover more genres then Sony's games.


I cant think of any nintendo rts games, and sony has a bunch or rpgs. And smash brothers is hardly a fair candidate for fighting game since its just the same nintendo characters as always and not a new IP.

Pikmin. Also Battallion Wars to a certain extent


Yeah I guess that fits. I was thinking more along the line of sc or C&C.



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Mr Khan on 31 May 2011
leatherhat said:
Mr Khan said:
leatherhat said:
IamAwsome said:
Ail said:

Nintendo franchise sell better but they do not cover as many gaming genres.

Aside from the titles with Wii in their names Nintendo has failed to develop new IP this gen too, they made nice improvement on old recipes but have failed to come up with new ones...( and the issue with the Wii games is aside from the Nintendo name on the box they are not really IP you can copyright which has led to a drove of copies ( heck even Move Sport Champions and Kinect adventures are just copies).)

Sony lost many third party exclusives but did a very nice job developing successfull new IPs covering a wide range of genres ( Uncharted, LBP, Heavy Rain, ResistanceFoM to name a few).

Microsoft has a few IPs that are very successfull, the issue is that they cater mostly to the same crowd.( and CoD success has made it so that the fact that Sony not having a big FPS isn't that much an issue).

While I do agree that Nintendo needs to make some new IPs, I don't agree that Sony's IPs cover more gaming genres. The only genre that Sony has that Nintendo doesn't have is FPS, and Sports sims. Nintendo has several genres that Sony doesn't have like fighting games, RTS, and RPGs. I think that overall, Nintendo's games cover more genres then Sony's games.


I cant think of any nintendo rts games, and sony has a bunch or rpgs. And smash brothers is hardly a fair candidate for fighting game since its just the same nintendo characters as always and not a new IP.

Pikmin. Also Battallion Wars to a certain extent


Yeah I guess that fits. I was thinking more along the line of sc or C&C.

Nintendo games are often genre-benders



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