Not really especially since both mentioned newly introduced franchises dont hold the same status as the MGS series. MGS has a large following which makes it very likely to sell 1 million copies day one.

I can understand your point on the likes of Resistance & Motorstorm, but definitely not on MGS4 in general.

Don't forget that Motorstorm (and to a lesser extent Resistance) was bundled with the PS3 and its high sales are not representative of the demand for the game from the PS3's userbase. Metal Gear Solid 4 will sell well 'For a PS3 game' which means it will probably sell dramatically less than the Metal Gear Solid games on the PS2 (but we won't know by how much until after it is released).

 Ok, I will clarify. Like I said in my earlier comment the 360 has never slowed down in Others or anywhere else. The ps3 sped up in Others but nowhere near enough momentum to usurp the 7+ million lead of the 360 within the foreseeable future. Sure this may change, but anything short of a miracle swing, witch indeed is possible on Sony's part DURING the slow season is not enough. Just evening out in the market during the busy season will not give ps3 the lead. No need to explain this is simple arithmetic. And yes honestly to me Microsoft could be more aggressive with the 360 price point, but they are actually making money finally on their machine so they are going to wait till the last moment.

Same would apply to Gears of War I geuss. That came bundled aswell, so I definitely still see it as a succes. It would make it really strange if some one would dismiss the succes of Motorstorm or Resistance since it were/is bundled. People who bought those bundles probably found a reason to do so. And I would imagine the game would play a major factor too.

I think personally MGS4 will go beyond what I 'see' to be your current expectations. One thing will be the MGS fanbase and the other should be the advertisement. It would be great to see Sony advertise MGS4 during/before the release of the game. Selling 'dramatically less' especially since its MGS4 we're talking about here doesnt seem like a reality.

If by 'dramatically less', means to the same extent as from 'MGS2 to MGS3 sales figures', then it will definitely be a succes.

 It sounds as if you're saying that a huge, pent-up demand for MGS4 is out there, and PS3 owners are simply not buying other games at a rate even in the same order of magnitude as they will for this particular title.  From what others have said in this forum, I can imagine that there are a lot of fans waiting for MGS4 to come out, and I can also imagine it possibly selling more on day 1 than any other PS3 title has, but what is the largest day 1 sales for any PS3 title?  I believe AC was a highly anticipated title, but it sold < 500K the first week, and we're talking sales for the first day.

Then again, if PS3 owners are as rabid for MGS as 360 owners were for Halo 3, I guess it could happen.  But I heard this concerning other PS3 titles over the past few weeks, and it just never happened.  Time will tell, I guess.

I never said the ps3 is a waste of time and I never said it was limping in the states. My point is that the ps3 has only gained ground during the super busy month and price drops, and falls behind when things level out. Just an observation, you can call it blind fanbotism if you want, and I know things could change, but as of now it doesn't look like that kind of change is in the air,

Never wrote up the 'word' huge, but the following has to be respected. And theres a large portion of gamers out there waiting for this title to hit the streets. That cant be denied.

The software sales in the states are definitely disconcerning. But on the other fronts they're actually very dangerously close to outperforming the 360 software sales. And those are the regions where the install base is actually lower compared to the 360's. So sales are actually decent if some one would care to think about whats happening outside of the states.

Dont forget, like I have mentioned in my previous posts: Assassin's creed has been an anticipated title, but certainly not compared to the grounds of Halo 3 for example. Or MGS4.

-Never accused of saying it.

-Well in that case it should show that the interest in the PS3 isn't dwindling either.

-I dont expect it to my friend ;).What I sam saying is that the PS3 is back on track and shapeing itself gradually enough, to become acknowledged.

Microsoft always has been and always will be irrelevant to Sony and the Playstation.

There are only three factors that will determine when the 125 million PS2 owners migrate to the PS3:

1) Manufacturing cost reductions
2) HDTV adoption rate
3) Gigantic PS2 library

Both the Playstation and PS2 were released at a time when the next gen storage formats were already on the market and were already relatively cheap to produce. The PS3 effectively had a 80-100 dollar extra cost due to the brand new BluRay drives. That cost rapidly dropped as significant volumes of PS3s began to be shipped leading to Sony being able to have two price drops in the first year. With the painful first year behind them the PS3 manufacturing costs are now going to go through the normal progression that both the PS2 ans Playstation had over the next 8-10 years.

The other factor that is different than the last two generations for the PS3 is the switch to a new TV standard with 1080p HDTVs. With the Playstation and PS2 you could get the full experience right away with your existing TVs. With the PS3 you really need to pick up a new 1080p set to get the full PS3 experience. HDTVs are rapidly dropping in price and will hit 500 dollars soon.

And the last factor is the absolutely gigantic PS2 library of games. The single largest and most diverse library of games ever created for a console. Almost every PS2 owner still has an enormous backlog of titles sitting on their shelves or still waiting to be picked up for as 20 dollar Greatest Hits.

So what does that mean for the current 125 million PS2 owners?

For people with the money they immediately made the jump to the PS3 and 1080p TVs.

For most of the rest of the PS2 owners out there they are waiting for 1080p sets to drop to their personal price level before upgrading to the PS3. They are content to continue working through their existing backlog of PS2 games until that time.

Some existing PS2 owners are certainly making a brief detour into Wii land since they can get the full experience with their existing 480i TVs. The waggle novelty wears off fairly quickly for most people and they will be ready to move on to a real next gen gaming system with the PS3.

The same people who bought the first Xbox are buying the 360. The 360 offers the 125 million existing PS2 owners anything of value. If they didn't buy an Xbox last gen for Halo, PGR,Forza,Fable,etc they sure as hell aren't going to be buying the most defect ridden and noisy console ever to play new versions of those games.

Every single major franchise that 125 million gamers went out and bought PS2s for is appearing on the PS3 on the most powerful system with rocksolid reliability and virtually silent operation.

Hmmm... interesting.  But most of the people I know who own PS2s have purchased 360s and are not interested in the PS3 now that they already have a "next-gen" console.  Same with my family.  And my brother and 2 of the guys at work are looking to buy a 360, not a PS3, as soon as MS has their next price drop.

So I guess that would be something less than 125 million PS2 owners migrating to PS3...