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padib said:
S____M____C____C said:

yea, its going to be extremely difficult. you think they can pull it off, i don't. time will tell.

by the way, do you think cafe will be profitable (ignoring r&d costs etc) from the start? or will nintendo make a loss early on in order to squeeze a bit more into the system?


That's a really good question. I honestly don't know, and if I were to predict...

If you asked me last gens, I would have said definitely no. It wasn't Nintendo's direction. As a matter of fact, they wanted to overprice the cube if it had less demand (wtf? that was Yamauchi, don't ask).

Given the new direction very clearly outlined by Iwata, I really am not sure this time around. I almost get the sense Nintendo will only break even, make a very small profit, or maybe even sell at a loss for the very early start. Again, I'm only saying that this gen because the direction is aggressive (we saw the aggressivity of their approach in the 3DS launch lineup, nearly empty of Nintendo 1st party titles - to leave room for 3rd parties, this approach was never intentionally taken before, from what we know of past visions or management at Nintendo).

You do realize that the Gamecube was reported to be sold at a modest loss at launch (rumoured to be around $20 per system), and the value demonstrated in the system has been suggested as the reason Microsoft decided to use IBM and ATi for their hardware this generation?

On top of that, while it sounds bizarre, Yamauchi's suggestion might not have been that bad ... In 2002 I was working as a security guard and one night my partner and I discussed videogames; he had access to all three systems because he lived with 3 roommates. One of his comments was that he was surprised by how great of a system the Gamecube was because he thought it would be crappy in comparison to the Xbox and PS2 because those systems cost $450 and the Gamecube was only $300 (Canadian dollars). Had Nintendo charged the same price and spent more money making the system look "high tech" a lot of people’s perceptions might have been changed.

 

To put it another way, if Panasonic came out with a tablet PC that was $250 how many people would assume that it had to be lacking compared to a $600 iPad? Could that unfair assumption hurt the system?



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I really can't say anything more about it until its E3 reveal that I haven't already said in my hypothesis thread. (see sig)

If if matches my ideas, then I think it will be a great system due to consistantly great Nintendo IPs as well as all the same offerings from 3rd parties that other consoles receive. Making it my only console of choice next gen as I could easily dissmiss the 1st party offerings from MS or Sony.



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HappySqurriel said:
S____M____C____C said:
HappySqurriel said:

nintendo got the casual market from playstation because nintendo went way more casual than playstation ever was, and because playstation became a lot more un-casual. the casuals weren't going to buy a ps3 or xbox 360 - and when they seen this mega-casual wii - of course they were going to buy it.

i agree though, that if nintendo makes the most core system we've ever seen, and both ms and sony turn to the casual market, then nintendo will capture the core market.

however, the chances of that happening...........


You're probably not old enough to remember either system, but in terms of "Casual" appeal I would say that the Wii was fairly inline with both the original Playstation and the NES; and the primary reason why the PS2 and SNES could be considered more "Core-friendly" systems was how third party publishers treated them, not based on anything that the console manufacturer did.

um sony treated the ps2 the same as they have treated the ps3 with respect to their first party games... the ps2 had titles like killzone, rachet and clank, gt, jak and daxter,  etc for first party, here :

"not based on anything that the console manufacturer did"

you make it sound as if sony did not develope a wide variety of "core friendly" first party games for the system as is happening with the ps3



o_O.Q said:
HappySqurriel said:
S____M____C____C said:
HappySqurriel said:

nintendo got the casual market from playstation because nintendo went way more casual than playstation ever was, and because playstation became a lot more un-casual. the casuals weren't going to buy a ps3 or xbox 360 - and when they seen this mega-casual wii - of course they were going to buy it.

i agree though, that if nintendo makes the most core system we've ever seen, and both ms and sony turn to the casual market, then nintendo will capture the core market.

however, the chances of that happening...........


You're probably not old enough to remember either system, but in terms of "Casual" appeal I would say that the Wii was fairly inline with both the original Playstation and the NES; and the primary reason why the PS2 and SNES could be considered more "Core-friendly" systems was how third party publishers treated them, not based on anything that the console manufacturer did.

um sony treated the ps2 the same as they have treated the ps3 with respect to their first party games... the ps2 had titles like killzone, rachet and clank, gt, jak and daxter,  etc for first party, here :

"not based on anything that the console manufacturer did"

you make it sound as if sony did not develope a wide variety of "core friendly" first party games for the system as is happening with the ps3


I don't think you understand what I was saying ...

If Sony decided to only produce "casual" games for the PS2 it wouldn't have made the PS2 a less viable core gamer console, and if third party publishers didn't produce core games for the PS2 there is nothing that Sony could have done to make it a viable core gamer system.



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I feel like Cafe could be as the SNES was to NES. Taking the same basic formula of its predecessor and expanding upon it, making it more sophisticated, and despite probably selling less than Wii, will be more loved by core gamers. Also like the SNES, I think the third party support this time around will be much improved.



glimmer_of_hope said:

All the haters will see in about 2 weeks time, just how wrong they are 


 Wise words sir, I ought to say.



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As long as it upscales Wii games and it's BC with GC, ill be certain to get it. 3rd party exclusives such as a RE or MGS will be a definite buy.



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TomaTito said:

To the people who say it's just going to be an Xbox/PS3, remember this last year.

"For us high definition by itself is not the nextfrontier, [...] we need to provide a whole new compelling experience in our next generation."

What is that experience? Let's find out at E3.

Hopefully it's not just the DC style screen on a controller.

Guess we'll find out soon. Freakin E3 can't get here soon enough!