So did Rome when they conquered palestine.  So does... every single country in every single war... ever.

Your problem with it... is arbitrary.  A Jewish state in the middle of the region effects everyone one of them.  It also effects the west... and everyone else.  

What you consider an outsider and what you consider "valid help" is purely arbitrary to shape around the view you already have.

Maybe it is arbitrary, but whose help did the Romans rely on? Same with the Ottomans.

I don't see how the argument got around to this point. Under the question of self-determination, the Palestinians have a right to a state as they have declared it. A sovereign state has to have a certain ability to maintain and defend itself, which means that most of the settlers have got to go (or that the settlers have to forfeit Israeli citizenship or at least the protection of the Israeli military). It's pretty cut-and-dry

That certaintly is the issue isn't it... just not in the way you are thinking.  A Palestinian state as it is would violate the ability of Israel to be able to maintain and defend itself.  It's hard to figure how to establish a palestine state that won't infringe on israel's security as of current.  Afterall, as it is, Palestine fires rockets into Israel's major population centers weekly from Gaza.  Now imagine the blockade is lifted and Hamas, the legally elected government mind you.... can get their hands on more damaging missles.

Then think of the trouble of  a divided juerasalem or a UN presided over Juresalem in which one side suicide bombs.

Focusing on land as the basis of the deal is a move that will never get accepted unless Palestine wants to accept less land then they even have now and are willing to give up on Jersualem.

Otherwise, they need to work on the other end first, and you know... actually get everyone involved to admit Israel should exist, and work on things such as Right of Return etc.

The reason everyone is hesitant to recognize Hamas as the rightful government of Gaza is because they know if they do... it's really hard to reconcile the fact that said government is firing into population centers indiscriminantly.

The romans hired many foreign mercenaries on contracts.  Which is actually more intervention then just weapons.

As for the Ottomans... at just about every point in their history their best troops were foreign.

Whether it be the nomad Horsemen when they first started or their armies, which were largely hired foreign mercenaries.

Heck, the fact that foreign forces intervention was so high is what led to the somewhat unique case of Jannisaries and other slave armies.  It was the only way the Sultan could make sure his forces weren't dwarfed by the mercenaries help they aquired and eventually be overthrown by his own mercs.

Also... as for "if the west should of intervened in the war."

I mean... you do remember that the plan was to "Drive the jews into the sea" right?

I think Ethnic cleansing is a strong enough reason for someone to intervene...

and I'm someone that wants almost all of our oversea bases dismantled.

If there ever was a case for someone to step up and help out another country... it's ethnic cleansing.

Let alone such weak help as sending them weapons.... for money.

See, it's easier to keep the reigns on a sovereign state. Nonstate actors are more free to do as they please, but state actors tend to be more restrained. So long as Hamas were included in the Palestinian government, they wouldn't be wantonly lobbing rockets into Israel proper, because the whole political balance of how they can "get away" with constantly shooting rockets into Israel now would be changed.

Violence is a symptom of a lack of power in many cases like this. If Hamas is excluded they'll continue to fight, but that just means a peace commitment from Hamas will be necessary for any state to be established.

Hamas is the Palestine government.  At least in Gaza.

Hasn't seemed to stop them.

When you don't give a shit about your people you can get away with a lot.

A nonrecognized de-facto government of a non-state (granted they did legitimately win the election). If they were given a share of a unified Palestinian state (as seems to be happening), it would be a different matter.

in case you dont recall...hamas was part of a unified palestinian government at one time.  then they started murdering people because they were part of other groups.