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being gay a choice vs born that way.

It's a lifestyle choice 120 25.53%
 
Your born that way 250 53.19%
 
no opinion 36 7.66%
 
other---for anything I missed 62 13.19%
 
Total:468
The Fury said:

I'm intregued about where this passion comes from.

Anywho, all your point there was good. At the current world's population any kind of population control is surely good, even if this is a weird version but the choice for LGBT to have children is their choice, many still wish to be parents. Also, natural sterility is a rarer thing then homosexuality, if the sterility comes later in life it's a completely different issue. No arguement I can think of for the last part.

Didn't realise my part was bolded, silly browser and font size. Yes, it's open for criticism but there is adifference of a person who is racist out of hate and racist who doesn't know any better. One's just not a nice person, the other is illeducated. Many religious homophobes fall into the latter category and can be educated for better understanding and if they are true believers then their faith will remain intact, sometimes made stronger because they can understand the world better. Those who have blind hate, even if they base it on religion should be called out and named mind you.

Hehe, my passion comes from within (LOL). I just get that way about things that I care about.

As for your second paragraph, they may be different regarding the reason for their beliefs, but the result of their belief is the same, hebce why neither should be undulged.



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sapphi_snake said:
DélioPT said:

Very well put! But you just reafirmed my position.
Freedom of speech is the ability/faculty/right to express one`s feelings or opinions even if some will not like it. How can i enforce something when i have no power whatsoever to do anything? They can just ignore me, you know.

You have no right to enforce laws that regulate other people's personal lives. Your business ends with yourself (which is why I said "mind your own business"). Making other people live their lives the way you want to is not something you can or should be able to do.

Once again, where did i enforce anything? Did i even used the expression "you have to"? You are accsusing me, once again, of doing something that i didn`t. I shared an opinion regarding a subject, that was all. Where did i ever tried enforcing my view on anyone?

About civil gay marriage, read the post above this one, explaining why i and others could object to gay marriage.
It isn`t just the view regarding an institution, i hope that you can understand that.



DélioPT said:


I don`t think there`s another term to substitute the commonly used "marriage".
The governments already accept as the same living in communion after a period of tim to have the same effects as being married, if i`m not mistaken.
Just to make it clear, when i said object gay marriage i also implied that in the case of a referendum about homosexual unions/civil parternship, for example, it would expectable for religious people to object any kind of union, since the starting point is already considered a sin.
I know this view will hurt gay people, but it`s our view and it`s nothing personnal.

It can't be anything else but personal. Civil rights issues are thankfully never put to vote anyways. Otherwise we'd still be in the Middle Ages because of people like you.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

DélioPT said:
sapphi_snake said:
DélioPT said:

Very well put! But you just reafirmed my position.
Freedom of speech is the ability/faculty/right to express one`s feelings or opinions even if some will not like it. How can i enforce something when i have no power whatsoever to do anything? They can just ignore me, you know.

You have no right to enforce laws that regulate other people's personal lives. Your business ends with yourself (which is why I said "mind your own business"). Making other people live their lives the way you want to is not something you can or should be able to do.

Once again, where did i enforce anything? Did i even used the expression "you have to"? You are accsusing me, once again, of doing something that i didn`t. I shared an opinion regarding a subject, that was all. Where did i ever tried enforcing my view on anyone?

About civil gay marriage, read the post above this one, explaining why i and others could object to gay marriage.
It isn`t just the view regarding an institution, i hope that you can understand that.

What I uderstand is that your entire post is inconsistent. How can you say that you don't want to enforce anything, right after claiming that you'd vote against gay marriage, subsequently interfering in other people's personal lives, and forcing them to act the way you want to.

You're a liar!



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
DélioPT said:


Well, God created man. And seeing he was lonely, God created woman and so they shall become one flesh. Also that serves for the institution of marriage by God Himself.
That`s why anything beyond that view is seen as a sin.

Not the "Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" argument. God also created gays, and for a gay person homosexuality is normal, natural, and makes them happy.


no, God created free will.

he never intended for there to be sin in the world, unfortunately the Devil lured man into sin, and we are now all sinners



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God surely intended for their to be sin. otherwise he wouldnt have given humans free will. and how else would he test people but through personal challenges with the temptation of sin.



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sapphi_snake said:
DélioPT said:


I don`t think there`s another term to substitute the commonly used "marriage".
The governments already accept as the same living in communion after a period of tim to have the same effects as being married, if i`m not mistaken.
Just to make it clear, when i said object gay marriage i also implied that in the case of a referendum about homosexual unions/civil parternship, for example, it would expectable for religious people to object any kind of union, since the starting point is already considered a sin.
I know this view will hurt gay people, but it`s our view and it`s nothing personnal.

It can't be anything else but personal. Civil rights issues are thankfully never put to vote anyways. Otherwise we'd still be in the Middle Ages because of people like you.

Personnal would be having something against the person. See the difference?



sapphi_snake said:
DélioPT said:

Once again, where did i enforce anything? Did i even used the expression "you have to"? You are accsusing me, once again, of doing something that i didn`t. I shared an opinion regarding a subject, that was all. Where did i ever tried enforcing my view on anyone?

About civil gay marriage, read the post above this one, explaining why i and others could object to gay marriage.
It isn`t just the view regarding an institution, i hope that you can understand that.

What I uderstand is that your entire post is inconsistent. How can you say that you don't want to enforce anything, right after claiming that you'd vote against gay marriage, subsequently interfering in other people's personal lives, and forcing them to act the way you want to.

You're a liar!


Objecting or abstaining is one thing, forcing something is another. I`m not forcing people to be like me, but at the same time i just can`t say it`s ok to something that i don`t see being right, whatever is the object of discussion.



sapphi_snake said:
DélioPT said:


I don`t think there`s another term to substitute the commonly used "marriage".
The governments already accept as the same living in communion after a period of tim to have the same effects as being married, if i`m not mistaken.
Just to make it clear, when i said object gay marriage i also implied that in the case of a referendum about homosexual unions/civil parternship, for example, it would expectable for religious people to object any kind of union, since the starting point is already considered a sin.
I know this view will hurt gay people, but it`s our view and it`s nothing personnal.

It can't be anything else but personal. Civil rights issues are thankfully never put to vote anyways. Otherwise we'd still be in the Middle Ages because of people like you.

you're very closed minded



MrBubbles said:
God surely intended for their to be sin. otherwise he wouldnt have given humans free will. and how else would he test people but through personal challenges with the temptation of sin.


It`s not God that tempts people, it`s the devil. No is forced to anything, people choose what they see fit, for whatever reason. There couldn`t be humanity, without free will and there couldn`t exist free will with no responsability.