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being gay a choice vs born that way.

It's a lifestyle choice 120 25.53%
 
Your born that way 250 53.19%
 
no opinion 36 7.66%
 
other---for anything I missed 62 13.19%
 
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osamanobama on 05 June 2011
TruckOSaurus said:
theprof00 said:
TruckOSaurus said:
DélioPT said:
naruball said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't DélioPT just saying that both homo/hetero sex is a sin? Not loving your bf, but having sex with him (same as couples are not supposed to use a condom or enjoy sex, just do it to have children). So in that sense it is a choice: you can be (born) gay and not have sex for the rest of your life (I'm not saying that I agree with that, just that this is the Christian view, according to the bible).

It`s as naruball puts it: it`s the act that is seen as a sin, not the love part. Actually that`s a very important difference that people don´t realize and wrongly percieve the Christian point of view.

You're saying that if we stop having sex* and just lived together, shared the same bed, kissed then it would be all fine and dandy in the eyes of the Church?

*Not that I'm planning to do that

how can couples stop having sex and just living miserable lives together without first getting married???!?

So to stop guys from having sex together they should encourage gay marriage! Then the sinning would be over!

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not just having sex with a man is a sin.

lust is also a sin, and having a homosexual relationship of any kind is a sin.

is performing homosexual acts any worse of  sin than say, pre-marital sex, lieing, stealing, murdering... no they are all the same and all are sins.

its just that some sins people live linger with and have a harder time asking for forgiveness and repenting.

i sin, everyone sins, but i pray and ask for forgiveness because i know no mater what, that i will/have fallen short of the glory of God.

Not one of my acts is good enough, there is nothing i can do, no check list to complete and say im a good Christian, i did x y and z. its Grace that saves us because we will never be sinless.

So i pray for not only myself but others as well, so that that will repent ask for forgiveness, so that they too will be saved.

and its not hate speech to call sin, sin. what is hate is hating the person. God loves everyone, and tells us to love everyone as well. what we are suppossed to hate is sin, we hate sin, our own sin as well as other's sin. but not the person 



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sapphi_snake on 05 June 2011
osamanobama said:


not just having sex with a man is a sin.

lust is also a sin, and having a homosexual relationship of any kind is a sin.

is performing homosexual acts any worse of  sin than say, pre-marital sex, lieing, stealing, murdering... no they are all the same and all are sins.

its just that some sins people live linger with and have a harder time asking for forgiveness and repenting.

i sin, everyone sins, but i pray and ask for forgiveness because i know no mater what, that i will/have fallen short of the glory of God.

Not one of my acts is good enough, there is nothing i can do, no check list to complete and say im a good Christian, i did x y and z. its Grace that saves us because we will never be sinless.

So i pray for not only myself but others as well, so that that will repent ask for forgiveness, so that they too will be saved.

and its not hate speech to call sin, sin. what is hate is hating the person. God loves everyone, and tells us to love everyone as well. what we are suppossed to hate is sin, we hate sin, our own sin as well as other's sin. but not the person 

No. it's hate speech to call homosexuality a sin, and that's because it's degrading to the homosexual.



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leatherhat on 05 June 2011

Its undoubtedly a combination of nature and nurture



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osamanobama on 05 June 2011
sapphi_snake said:
osamanobama said:


not just having sex with a man is a sin.

lust is also a sin, and having a homosexual relationship of any kind is a sin.

is performing homosexual acts any worse of  sin than say, pre-marital sex, lieing, stealing, murdering... no they are all the same and all are sins.

its just that some sins people live linger with and have a harder time asking for forgiveness and repenting.

i sin, everyone sins, but i pray and ask for forgiveness because i know no mater what, that i will/have fallen short of the glory of God.

Not one of my acts is good enough, there is nothing i can do, no check list to complete and say im a good Christian, i did x y and z. its Grace that saves us because we will never be sinless.

So i pray for not only myself but others as well, so that that will repent ask for forgiveness, so that they too will be saved.

and its not hate speech to call sin, sin. what is hate is hating the person. God loves everyone, and tells us to love everyone as well. what we are suppossed to hate is sin, we hate sin, our own sin as well as other's sin. but not the person 

No. it's hate speech to call homosexuality a sin, and that's because it's degrading to the homosexual.

so by that logic, its hate speech to call aldultry sin, murdering a sin, lying a sin becuase it is degrading to the perpatraitor. 

a sin is a sin, there is no way to sugar coat it



theprof00 on 05 June 2011

I'm not gunna read the whole thread just to see where it first came up, but what does it matter if it's a sin or not?



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theprof00 on 05 June 2011

furthermore, osama, do you have any tattoos?



Dahum on 05 June 2011

i'm 100% sure that every human being is born straight while the change happen in the teenage years where the hormones are being developed & what causes the change is a powerful dramatic effect such as the death of one of the parents or being turtured by someone........etc

the first twe humans were adam & eve which later fullfill there porpuse by producing babies and so on and on & this is what ppl got used to & its the Normal way & everybody knows even Gay ppl.



enditall727 on 05 June 2011

its a choice



theprof00 on 05 June 2011
Dahum said:
i'm 100% sure that every human being is born straight while the change happen in the teenage years where the hormones are being developed & what causes the change is a powerful dramatic effect such as the death of one of the parents or being turtured by someone........etc

the first twe humans were adam & eve which later fullfill there porpuse by producing babies and so on and on & this is what ppl got used to & its the Normal way & everybody knows even Gay ppl.


I'm pretty sure it happens earlier. Sexuality begins much much earlier than teenage years.

Homosexuality is 100% NOT caused by tradgedy. Sorry It's not a disability, buddy!

EDIT: That is to say, I do believe that it is a combination of nature and nurture, and that there are formative effects that influence it, but it is 100% incorrect to say that it's the result of trauma. That's like saying the reason I prefer breasts over vagina is because I saw a hideous vagina when I was 12 and it scarred me for life. It could also be the case that I love tits because my first girlfriend had the most amazing ones.

If your goal is to spare gays the "hate" by "pitying" them, then just stop right there. I would feel embarassed for you if that was said in the open with gays in the room.

The Bible, again, is not a source. Not all religions take the same stance toward gays that christianity does. That's just another arrogant oversight by the christian minority (The WRONG ones) that the Bible is supreme and infallible over all other religios texts. In fact, gays predate the Bible. What do you think they thougt about "normal" and "abnormal" back then, when nature itself reflected bisexuality and homosexuality in animals?



PlaystaionGamer on 05 June 2011

im a straight Guy but i dont think it is that people are 'Born This Way' because i actually think we are all born and are all 'bisexual' BUT things effect your choice.

You might have a horrible time with girls and you have a better time being with men or vise versa. but i don't think its a choice as in 'oh im going to be gay today' its a choice as if your mind makes it without your realising.

People become gay in later life and some people you can tell when they are about 1 they will grow up gay. i dunno its all very confussing but i believe in summery that everyone is born 'bi' like alot of the animal Kingdom and its just Expirence with people/objects/places change how you feel.

There is one thing in life you cant change, and that is change.

(p.s. although i dont think people are 'Born This Way' im still a MASSIVE Gaga fan and believe in the message of the songs she puts out there) lol