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being gay a choice vs born that way.

It's a lifestyle choice 120 25.53%
 
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Joelcool7 said:

Umm Yah Sapphi thats because Missionaries don't help people soully to convert them. It is great to see people convert to my beliefs but I don't go about forcing people to my beliefs and neither do real Christian missionaries.

Its funny that other then Truck, this is like a repeat conversation. I even recall debating with Pearl Jammer before about this very topic.

As I said sorry Truck if I offended you. But Mr.Bubbles, Sapphi myself and Pearl Jammer debate quite heatedly. I debate more civily with Rath. But the group of us are often on the opposite side.

Again Truck Its nothing personal. I don't hate gays and am not homphobe. I just have a different view then most users. Apparently then you, but I don't mean to insult anyone.

The purpose of education regarding gays in schools isn't to "convert" anyone, it's to raise awareness and prevent discrimination against the kids who are gay. Conversion is still one of the goals of Christian missionaries, even if it is secondary.



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Joelcool7 said:
sapphi_snake said:
MrBubbles said:
Joelcool7 said:

The gay movement is not about respecting someone based on their genetic disposition, it is about converting people over to their belief.

 

 

Load of bollocks. Being gay isn't a fucking belief.

I swear homophobes shouldn't be allowed an opinion on the matter, they know nothing.



 

Seece said:
Joelcool7 said:
sapphi_snake said:
MrBubbles said:
Joelcool7 said:

The gay movement is not about respecting someone based on their genetic disposition, it is about converting people over to their belief.

 

 

Load of bollocks. Being gay isn't a fucking belief.

I swear homophobes shouldn't be allowed an opinion on the matter, they know nothing.

Maybe it's the fact that they know nothing that makes them be homophobes...



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sapphi_snake said:
Seece said:
Joelcool7 said:
sapphi_snake said:
MrBubbles said:
Joelcool7 said:

The gay movement is not about respecting someone based on their genetic disposition, it is about converting people over to their belief.

 

 

Load of bollocks. Being gay isn't a fucking belief.

I swear homophobes shouldn't be allowed an opinion on the matter, they know nothing.

Maybe it's the fact that they know nothing that makes them be homophobes...

Well exactly, ignorance breeds fear. Fear of the unknown!

Most of these guys think we go for any man alive no matter if he's 14 or disgustingly overweight and what have you, we're just animals



 

Joelcool7 said:
pearljammer said:
TruckOSaurus said:
 

Ugh...the things you have to read sometimes...

I just ignore it usually. It's quite rare you come across something this, uh, unique though.

Its easy to judge others when you have nothing in common. Its also easy for everyone to simply believe everyone who is gay was some how born that way.

As for me calling it a disease maybe you disagree with the terming. But I'm Autistic and its technically a mental disease. Why should Autism be classified a mental disease or disorder while Homosexuality is somehow normal?

Look at what I wrote, did I honestly say much that is offensive or non-Factual?

Just because you don't like the truth doesn't make it any less the truth!

Also if your pissed I called homosexual acts a sin, get over yourself and off your high horse. Its a sin to lie and to over eat etc...etc... I sin every day not always on purpose but sometimes I even sin knowing full well I'm doing it.

I'm not saying all homosexuals are horrible people, I'm saying homosexual acts are a sin. Homosexuals are living in sin just like myself and many others. The only difference is many homosexuals try to justify their sin and say it isn't a sin. Much like you are judging me for believing it is a sin.

Fact is "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". Were all sinners so get off your high horse. If you choose to be niave and believe their is no God and no such thing as sin, that is your choice. But to insult others who do believe differently then you or disregard their statements simply because you disagree is disgraceful.


1) I doubt neither of you actually have friends that are actually gay.

As stated by others, I am gay, also most of my friends are too.

2) I also doubt neither of you have a religious belief set.

I don't really follow any religion but my boyfriend of 8 and half years does.

Being gay is not a belief system. We don't convert anyone because sexual orientation is not something you can change at will. The Gay Rights activists are mostly people looking for equality and who want to stop oppression against LGBT people. I don't know why you feel threathened by their message but rest assured they're not looking to lure you in



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sapphi_snake said:
DélioPT said:

I hear people proclaim they were gay all their lives; i hear people proclaim they were but then they realised they were wrong, that they weren`t.
Honestly, i don`t care if one is born with such inclination or it goes that way during their lives and i don`t think that it should matter to anyone, in a sense. Because, for us christians, it doesn`t matter how you were born, it`s what you do that makes it ok or not.
We nor anyone should have anything against this or that person, but we do see the act of homosexuality as a sin. If people don`t agree at least try to understand our point of view: we do not wish for anyone to be descriminated for the person they are - even if some people do descriminate - but understand that, believing in what we believe, we cannot be by your side if you decide to practice homosexuality.

as i always say, and as Joelcoll said it, we are only against sins not the person behind it.

Your point of view means forcing people to be something other than thay are. It doesn't deserve any respect.


Forcing what? Tolerance and consideration? Even than i didn`t force anything, i asked for.
But if presenting an opinion or a view of the world that you don`t like, then yes, i`m forcing... like every single person who objects another person`s way of doing or thinking things. But who on this life doesn`t do that on one subject or the other?



Some people's views in here scare me. Seriously.



Chrizum said:

Is being heterosexual a choice? Is it possible for a heterosexual to choose to become a homosexual just like that?

Honestly, this is a moronic topic.


nah cause our soceity is that way so we grow up thinking that its natural being a hetrosexual



sapphi_snake said:
MrBubbles said:

im slightly confused on your definition of sexuality and choice.   if someone is attracted to the same gender but does not act on it are they still homosexual?   is attraction the definition or is action?

The dictionary definition is "sexual desire or behaviour directed toward a person or person's of one's own sex". This definition is pretty poor, if you ask me. It's too inclusive, ecompassing individuals who may not actually be homosexual, regarding their sexual orientation.

Source: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homosexuality

A better one comes from the  American Psychological Assosication: "Sexual orientation is an enduring emotional, romantic, sexual, or affectional attraction toward others" (in the case of homosexuality, replace "others" with "people of the same sex").

Source: http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientation.aspx

i didnt need a dictionary definition sapphi ... i wanted joels definition -_-



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MrBubbles said:
sapphi_snake said:
MrBubbles said:

im slightly confused on your definition of sexuality and choice.   if someone is attracted to the same gender but does not act on it are they still homosexual?   is attraction the definition or is action?

The dictionary definition is "sexual desire or behaviour directed toward a person or person's of one's own sex". This definition is pretty poor, if you ask me. It's too inclusive, ecompassing individuals who may not actually be homosexual, regarding their sexual orientation.

Source: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homosexuality

A better one comes from the  American Psychological Assosication: "Sexual orientation is an enduring emotional, romantic, sexual, or affectional attraction toward others" (in the case of homosexuality, replace "others" with "people of the same sex").

Source: http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientation.aspx

i didnt need a dictionary definition sapphi ... i wanted joels definition -_-

Well, his definition is essentially: homosexual = person who has sex with someone of the same sex as themselves.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)