Having a few friends who are gay and Bi I must say its a mix of both born that way and choice. I have a few friends who became Gay and Bi later in life. One says he liked girls up until he had sex with a man. Now that individual in my opinion chose to be gay, he experimented sexually liked the experiance and then made the choice to have sex with other men.

However I also have had a recent friend come out of the closet who never dated a girl and while I had no clue he was gay he claims to be genuine and never to have liked girls. So in his case I'd say he was born with a disability.

Homosexuality is a disease as I'd call it. Its a genetic deficiency that occurs in a few people out of every million or so. Like autism or Downsyndrome, however I believe that many homosexuals are not actually gay by this disease, from personal experiances with my friends who are gay most are gay by choice.

The gay movement is not about respecting someone based on their genetic disposition, it is about converting people over to their belief.

Also while I believe that some people may be infected by this disease (Homosexuality) sleeping with an individual of the same sex is still a choice and as such homosexual acts are no less a choice then heterosexual acts.

Example as a Christian I believe in celebacy till marriage, if I never get married I will be celebate till death. Monks and Nun's take vows of celebacy and do not have sex during their entire lives, yet they are straight and are tempted to have sex constantly. As such someone who is gay and is attracted to people of the same sex, is not forced to sin (Have sex) the choice to sin is made.

I know a gay individual who was getting married to a lesbian. Both were apparently gay yet they loved each other and were getting married. They planned on having kids and apparently had sex. Now he got in a car accident and was paralyzed from the kneck down, so she left him. However it proves my point just because your gay doesn't mean you have an excuse to have sex with another man (Biblically or morally).

As such I believe in two types of homosexuality. The sinning type (Having sex with another man) and the good one (Choosing to abstain) rather then sin. Or the even better one find a woman you love and marry her regardless of whether you like men or not.

Fact is acts of homosexuality are for sure a choice, whether or not you like the same sex, maybe not. But in the end the final choice to sin, is still a choice! So I would say I disagree with both answers on the poll. I don't think having homosexual desires is a choice, but acting on those desires is!

Ugh...the things you have to read sometimes...

I just ignore it usually. It's quite rare you come across something this, uh, unique though.

I doubt neither of you actually have friends that are actually gay. I also doubt neither of you have a religious belief set. Its easy to judge others when you have nothing in common. Its also easy for everyone to simply believe everyone who is gay was some how born that way.

As for me calling it a disease maybe you disagree with the terming. But I'm Autistic and its technically a mental disease. Why should Autism be classified a mental disease or disorder while Homosexuality is somehow normal?

Look at what I wrote, did I honestly say much that is offensive or non-Factual?

Just because you don't like the truth doesn't make it any less the truth!

The gay movement is not about respecting someone based on their genetic disposition, it is about converting people over to their belief.

So you proclaim to know the truth then? That's rather high and mighty imo. How is somebody else's truth no true? What makes your truth more valid than others'?

I doubt neither of you actually have friends that are actually gay. I also doubt neither of you have a religious belief set. Its easy to judge others when you have nothing in common. Its also easy for everyone to simply believe everyone who is gay was some how born that way.

As for me calling it a disease maybe you disagree with the terming. But I'm Autistic and its technically a mental disease. Why should Autism be classified a mental disease or disorder while Homosexuality is somehow normal?

Look at what I wrote, did I honestly say much that is offensive or non-Factual?

Just because you don't like the truth doesn't make it any less the truth!

Also if your pissed I called homosexual acts a sin, get over yourself and off your high horse. Its a sin to lie and to over eat etc...etc... I sin every day not always on purpose but sometimes I even sin knowing full well I'm doing it.

I'm not saying all homosexuals are horrible people, I'm saying homosexual acts are a sin. Homosexuals are living in sin just like myself and many others. The only difference is many homosexuals try to justify their sin and say it isn't a sin. Much like you are judging me for believing it is a sin.

Fact is "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". Were all sinners so get off your high horse. If you choose to be niave and believe their is no God and no such thing as sin, that is your choice. But to insult others who do believe differently then you or disregard their statements simply because you disagree is disgraceful.

I doubt neither of you actually have friends that are actually gay. I also doubt neither of you have a religious belief set. Its easy to judge others when you have nothing in common. Its also easy for everyone to simply believe everyone who is gay was some how born that way.

TruckOSaurus is actually gay, I believe. I have three people in my life that are close to me that are gay, two are family members. One in particular developed severe depression as a result of being bullied due to his homosexuality. When prompted about his supposed choice, his response is always simple and effective: why the hell would I ever choose, and continue to choose this life.

That being said, I'm more along the belief that sexuality is more akin to sliding scale. Much like what both kasz and Mr. Khan had described earlier in the thread.

Also, it isn't a matter of ease. With it being such a huge factor in the lives of people who are very dear to me, I've thought, researched and have disussed a great deal on this issue. What I take issue with in your post is how you so blatantly put on a facade. While you are fully accepting that some are born homosexual, you vehemently chastise those who act on, what you admit to, their true selves. Honestly, it's a dispicable expectation.

As for me calling it a disease maybe you disagree with the terming. But I'm Autistic and its technically a mental disease. Why should Autism be classified a mental disease or disorder while Homosexuality is somehow normal?

I could care less what you call it. Though your callouness doesn't veil your feeling for all acts homosexual.

Look at what I wrote, did I honestly say much that is offensive or non-Factual?

Factually wrong? Perhaps not, as you haven't really made any statements other than: "The gay movement is not about respecting someone based on their genetic disposition, it is about converting people over to their belief."

I'm actually at a loss over the absurdity of this statement. Only somebody completely indoctrinated would believe this to be true.

Outside of that, you pretty much only gave opinions and stories.

Offensive? I'm sure some would find it offensive. I'm not offended. I'm not gay; hence it isn't really speaking to me nor am I easily offended.

Just because you don't like the truth doesn't make it any less the truth!

Lol. You can't just proclaim truth, just 'casue!

Also if your pissed I called homosexual acts a sin, get over yourself and off your high horse. Its a sin to lie and to over eat etc...etc... I sin every day not always on purpose but sometimes I even sin knowing full well I'm doing it.

Don't really care, to be honest.

I'm not saying all homosexuals are horrible people, I'm saying homosexual acts are a sin. Homosexuals are living in sin just like myself and many others. The only difference is many homosexuals try to justify their sin and say it isn't a sin. Much like you are judging me for believing it is a sin.

I don't much care for what anyone tells me what a sin is. I've pretty much lived by the creed: Live and Let Live.

The gay people I know aren't trying to justify anything. There isn't anything to justify. If it is as natural as you claim it to be, it'd be a sin for them to act otherwise.

Fact is "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". Were all sinners so get off your high horse. If you choose to be niave and believe their is no God and no such thing as sin, that is your choice. But to insult others who do believe differently then you or disregard their statements simply because you disagree is disgraceful.

Firstly, I did not insult you because I simply disagreed. I'm not quite as thoughtless as that. I'd said what I did because of your claims of truth, your tone, choice of language and general condescension.

To criticize me for offending you due to a disagreeance (real word?) is the hieght of hypocrisy when you had initially done the same with homosexuals. They believe their actions to be both natural and beautiful, yet you suggest otherwise. It's offensive and insulting, I'm sure, to anyone who is gay.

And if this is going to be an actual conversation, please be congenial in regards to reply form. Address each point as I have done without taking it off topic, or simply concede in turn. I apologize if this comes off as being a bit uptight, but otherwise, it'll become an off-topic mess that I have absolutely no interest in partaking.

Why would the gay movement want to do big parades where they walk around nude down the streets, why would schools have to teach how to have homosexual sex if the gay movement wasn't trying to infleunce youth to do so.

Yes, all gay people walk nude in the streets during parades. Hell, most don't. Besides that, I'm unsure how you could draw any conclusion from that. Walking down a street, demonstrating how you are fearless in now showing who you are in the face of years of oppression, societal pressure and familial seperations/falling-outs is somehow an attempt at luring other to their 'side?' Oh dear...

I mean seriously in sex ed I had to learn how to put a dick in my ass. Their was a picture and we had a discussion in class on gay sex. Now how is that not influencing people?

I've taught sex ed in Newfoundland - grade 9. I'd like to see your curriculum. Do you mean like it's the working of some high ranking government education official with a gay agenda, to try and make all the young'uns gay. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what you're saying, correct?

Now I believe in spreading the Christian faith much like I'm sure Gay's believe in spreading their beliefs. But that does not change the fact that they are trying to spread their beliefs no less then I try to spread mine.

Gay belief? Homosexuality is not a belief system. Having refuted this ranks among the most absurd things I've ever done. There are no common beliefs held by all gay people; just as there are no commonly held beliefs among straight people.