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@mad55 i worded that wrong, i meant they might put it on PS3 and then months later release on Wii. Like Tekken 6 was PS360 then it went to PSP

@soriku  but the extra content has already been made. all they need to do is translate. PS3 japanese version of ToG already has the extra content.

@gumby trucker  its still EXTRA work, thats all im saying. a dev team would still have to put all that content on to a Wii disc in addition to having already have to do translations, this is Namco we are talking about, and this is not one of there star franchises in the west, you really think they are going to put extra time in to appease a few Wii owners??? Doubt it. At best you might get the original translated and released in English and iMHO i doubt that will happen



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Mad55 said:
brendude13 said:
Mad55 said:
brendude13 said:

Sweet, can't wait to pick it up.

Namco are going to need to advertise this game if they want decent sales, this game needs to sell well so they can localise the Tales of Vesperia PS3 content =).


;) it aint coming. if anything graces sales will determine future games like xillia and prob ngp and 3ds tales games.

That's exactly what they said about Graces, don't be so cynical.

They have already made the full game for the Playstation 3, the only thing they need is English VA for the extra content.

I loved the game on the XBOX 360 but that extra content just teases me so much.

come on why release so many old games im not being cynical more realistic. Id rather them put money into a new game then  a game we got.

Because the localized ToV would probably sell as much if not better than ToGF, the only difference is, ToV would take a lot less effort to localise.



Mad55 said:
brendude13 said:
Zucas said:

Ugh only on the PS3.  Games I tend to get on the PS3, which aren't many, don't seem to get played haha.  Probably won't even buy it knowing that truth about me.  Was kinda secretly hoping it would also be ported to the 360 but damnit.  Glad to see Tales getting some western love, but looks like I won't be enjoying it initially.

So if it's PS3 exclusive you won't buy it, but if it's on the XBOX 360 aswell, then you will buy it, despite owning both consoles.

Where is the logic in that? You are going to boycott a great game out of brand loyalty?

I personally don't want to see another Tales game anywhere near the XBOX 360. The majority of XBOX 360 owners have no interest in or respect for the Tales franchise or the JRPG genre as a whole, hence the low sales and review scores. That's what irritated me when I was playing Tales of Vesperia, it was a great game but what the hell was it doing on the XBOX 360? It's for that reason we will probably never see the huge amounts of extra content in the JAP PS3 version of the game on either console, Namco will just lose faith in Western audiences.

Um vesperia got low scores cause it was on 360/ i think not. and jrpgs sell pretty well on the 360 in comparison to the ps3 lost odyssey sold fine so did the last remnant and infinite undiscovery and according to vgchartz vesperia did 500k and there was an article a ways back were one of the developers said they would like to sell 500,000 copies.  You seem pretty loyal yourself to the ps3 saying those things about the 360.


I was using the low scores as an example as to why JRPG developers lose faith in the west, because "professional" reviewers give the games low scores, should have phrased that better.

And XBOX 360 JRPG sales are mediocre, hence the reason why when the paid exclusive deal runs out, they normally make an upgraded PS3 version just a year later. The reason why I am pissed is because a lot of these upgraded PS3 version never see the light of day in the West, because of the example of poor sales set by the XBOX 360.

And I'm not "loyal to the PS3", I'm just pissed off because I can't speak Japanese and I am missing out on a lot of great games and content. Not to mention I get sick to death when people complain about JRPG's not being on the XBOX 360. All three consoles target different audiences, I can assure you the XBOX 360 audience has next to no interest in JRPG's. Why should Namco spend tonnes of time and money on porting the game to another platform when it won't even sell, just for the sake of a few people complaining because the last installment was on their system.

LG's little injuction failed you know, PS3's didn't dissapear from store shelves overnight. I splashed out on both systems to enjoy the exclusives they have to offer. Tales won't sell on the XBOX 360, in the same way Gears wouldn't sell one PS3.

Don't think that I'm a fanboy who wants every game to be exclusive to PS3, like I said above, every system has its audience. I think that Bulletstorm and Mass Effect should have stayed exclusive to PS3, because they sold poorly and it only delays the games for other platforms.



@oniyide, regarding the EXTRA WORK thing:

You are probably right that it won't happen, but by that logic why bring the game to the west at all? Hell why even make games to begin with? It's just extra work!
The question to ask would be is it worth it? or in other words what is the cost to benefit ratio?

Before I proceed to do the number-crunching myself, can we agree on a reasonable lower bound to sales of the Wii version in the west if it were made?
TOS: DOTNW sold 200,000 copies in the Americas according to vgchartz (I'm not sure it was even released in Europe) so may I suggest 100,000 copies for a Graces localization in english?

Now lets also assume the game is sold at a budget price and Bamco gets a mere $5 back on every copy sold, after the retailers, distributors, shipping and manufacturing co. and so on have taken their cuts.

That gives us a return of half a million bucks! Now lets make things even worse. In an earlier post I said I thought porting over to the Wii looked like a fairly small job but for the sake of argument lets assume I was wrong.

Lets say it takes a 10 man team working in parallel to move over the text and voicework to a DVD, and downsize the graphics and cut up the extra levels and so forth and port it all. If every single one of them is payed $ 10,000 a month to do this job (this is cost to employer we're talking about, so it should be higher than actual net salary to employee) it would have to take them five whole months to eat up that amount. Five Months!

I'm no developer so it may be that there is some serious flaw in my logic and/or numbers, but to me it just doesn't add up, not even remotely!

I would really appreciate it if someone on this forum with better knowledge of the process of delivering a game can tell me if I'm missing something, or if my whole premise is out of wack...

and before anyone posts a "your logic is not welcome here lol" kind of reply, I am just asking an honest question, not trying to attack Bamco or anybody else. Are my assumptions reasonable? or should I just STFU and let the big boys do the work?

A reply from anyone on this thread is most welcome.



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brendude13 said:
Mad55 said:
brendude13 said:
Mad55 said:
brendude13 said:

Sweet, can't wait to pick it up.

Namco are going to need to advertise this game if they want decent sales, this game needs to sell well so they can localise the Tales of Vesperia PS3 content =).


;) it aint coming. if anything graces sales will determine future games like xillia and prob ngp and 3ds tales games.

That's exactly what they said about Graces, don't be so cynical.

They have already made the full game for the Playstation 3, the only thing they need is English VA for the extra content.

I loved the game on the XBOX 360 but that extra content just teases me so much.

come on why release so many old games im not being cynical more realistic. Id rather them put money into a new game then  a game we got.

Because the localized ToV would probably sell as much if not better than ToGF, the only difference is, ToV would take a lot less effort to localise.

Yea but alot people already played it on 360 no ones played graces or Xillia.



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brendude13 said:
Mad55 said:
brendude13 said:
Zucas said:

Ugh only on the PS3.  Games I tend to get on the PS3, which aren't many, don't seem to get played haha.  Probably won't even buy it knowing that truth about me.  Was kinda secretly hoping it would also be ported to the 360 but damnit.  Glad to see Tales getting some western love, but looks like I won't be enjoying it initially.

So if it's PS3 exclusive you won't buy it, but if it's on the XBOX 360 aswell, then you will buy it, despite owning both consoles.

Where is the logic in that? You are going to boycott a great game out of brand loyalty?

I personally don't want to see another Tales game anywhere near the XBOX 360. The majority of XBOX 360 owners have no interest in or respect for the Tales franchise or the JRPG genre as a whole, hence the low sales and review scores. That's what irritated me when I was playing Tales of Vesperia, it was a great game but what the hell was it doing on the XBOX 360? It's for that reason we will probably never see the huge amounts of extra content in the JAP PS3 version of the game on either console, Namco will just lose faith in Western audiences.

Um vesperia got low scores cause it was on 360/ i think not. and jrpgs sell pretty well on the 360 in comparison to the ps3 lost odyssey sold fine so did the last remnant and infinite undiscovery and according to vgchartz vesperia did 500k and there was an article a ways back were one of the developers said they would like to sell 500,000 copies.  You seem pretty loyal yourself to the ps3 saying those things about the 360.


I was using the low scores as an example as to why JRPG developers lose faith in the west, because "professional" reviewers give the games low scores, should have phrased that better.

And XBOX 360 JRPG sales are mediocre, hence the reason why when the paid exclusive deal runs out, they normally make an upgraded PS3 version just a year later. The reason why I am pissed is because a lot of these upgraded PS3 version never see the light of day in the West, because of the example of poor sales set by the XBOX 360.

And I'm not "loyal to the PS3", I'm just pissed off because I can't speak Japanese and I am missing out on a lot of great games and content. Not to mention I get sick to death when people complain about JRPG's not being on the XBOX 360. All three consoles target different audiences, I can assure you the XBOX 360 audience has next to no interest in JRPG's. Why should Namco spend tonnes of time and money on porting the game to another platform when it won't even sell, just for the sake of a few people complaining because the last installment was on there system.

LG's little injuction failed you know, PS3's didn't dissapear from store shelves overnight. I splashed out on both systems to enjoy the exclusives they have to offer. Tales won't sell on the XBOX 360, in the same way Gears wouldn't sell one PS3.

Don't think that I'm a fanboy who wants every game to be exclusive to PS3, like I said above, every system has its audience. I think that Bulletstorm and Mass Effect should have stayed exclusive to PS3, because they sold poorly and it only delays the games for other platforms.

I dont think your loyal to the ps3 thats just how you sounded. And the 360 audience has plenty of interest in rpgs if you compare jrpg sales from last gen to this gen no ounting final fantasy and dragon quest you will see there actually pretty similar or a bit better this gen. According to vgchartz Tales of vesperia has done over 500k on the 360 which star ocean on the ps3 hasnt done but it has been done on the 360. Saying 360 owners dont like jrpgs is not right at all i have plenty of friends who own 360's and love rpgs. Go compare jrpg sales of the 360 to the ps3 its not a big difference. And the 360 targets multiple genres just like the wii and ps3. I personally dislike when people say the 360 only has fps it doesnt I have over 15 rpgs for the 360 and only 2 fps games that i kept.



@gumby trucker  your missing the point, its not even about how hard it would be to do it. All im saying is im 99% sure that if Namco decides to give us an english translated version on WIi it will not be the F version that PS3 got. Translating entire texts still takes some amount of work, im shocked that their even bringing the game over to be perfectly honest. Im not saying that they couldnt or shouldnt. Im telling you up front they wont. Look at the companies' history. Soul Calibur on PSP but not Wii?? Im sure this game will be PS3 exclusive in the West, or the F version will be PS3 only with the regular appearing on Wii but for less money



Mad55 said:
brendude13 said:
Mad55 said:
brendude13 said:
Zucas said:

Ugh only on the PS3.  Games I tend to get on the PS3, which aren't many, don't seem to get played haha.  Probably won't even buy it knowing that truth about me.  Was kinda secretly hoping it would also be ported to the 360 but damnit.  Glad to see Tales getting some western love, but looks like I won't be enjoying it initially.

So if it's PS3 exclusive you won't buy it, but if it's on the XBOX 360 aswell, then you will buy it, despite owning both consoles.

Where is the logic in that? You are going to boycott a great game out of brand loyalty?

I personally don't want to see another Tales game anywhere near the XBOX 360. The majority of XBOX 360 owners have no interest in or respect for the Tales franchise or the JRPG genre as a whole, hence the low sales and review scores. That's what irritated me when I was playing Tales of Vesperia, it was a great game but what the hell was it doing on the XBOX 360? It's for that reason we will probably never see the huge amounts of extra content in the JAP PS3 version of the game on either console, Namco will just lose faith in Western audiences.

Um vesperia got low scores cause it was on 360/ i think not. and jrpgs sell pretty well on the 360 in comparison to the ps3 lost odyssey sold fine so did the last remnant and infinite undiscovery and according to vgchartz vesperia did 500k and there was an article a ways back were one of the developers said they would like to sell 500,000 copies.  You seem pretty loyal yourself to the ps3 saying those things about the 360.


I was using the low scores as an example as to why JRPG developers lose faith in the west, because "professional" reviewers give the games low scores, should have phrased that better.

And XBOX 360 JRPG sales are mediocre, hence the reason why when the paid exclusive deal runs out, they normally make an upgraded PS3 version just a year later. The reason why I am pissed is because a lot of these upgraded PS3 version never see the light of day in the West, because of the example of poor sales set by the XBOX 360.

And I'm not "loyal to the PS3", I'm just pissed off because I can't speak Japanese and I am missing out on a lot of great games and content. Not to mention I get sick to death when people complain about JRPG's not being on the XBOX 360. All three consoles target different audiences, I can assure you the XBOX 360 audience has next to no interest in JRPG's. Why should Namco spend tonnes of time and money on porting the game to another platform when it won't even sell, just for the sake of a few people complaining because the last installment was on there system.

LG's little injuction failed you know, PS3's didn't dissapear from store shelves overnight. I splashed out on both systems to enjoy the exclusives they have to offer. Tales won't sell on the XBOX 360, in the same way Gears wouldn't sell one PS3.

Don't think that I'm a fanboy who wants every game to be exclusive to PS3, like I said above, every system has its audience. I think that Bulletstorm and Mass Effect should have stayed exclusive to PS3, because they sold poorly and it only delays the games for other platforms.

I dont think your loyal to the ps3 thats just how you sounded. And the 360 audience has plenty of interest in rpgs if you compare jrpg sales from last gen to this gen no ounting final fantasy and dragon quest you will see there actually pretty similar or a bit better this gen. According to vgchartz Tales of vesperia has done over 500k on the 360 which star ocean on the ps3 hasnt done but it has been done on the 360. Saying 360 owners dont like jrpgs is not right at all i have plenty of friends who own 360's and love rpgs. Go compare jrpg sales of the 360 to the ps3 its not a big difference. And the 360 targets multiple genres just like the wii and ps3. I personally dislike when people say the 360 only has fps it doesnt I have over 15 rpgs for the 360 and only 2 fps games that i kept.

Star Ocean is one year late port.

So far only jRPGs which sales weren't damaged by Microsoft shitty timed exclusive deals are Resonance of Fate and FF XIII. FF XIII has tons of factors stacking it in PS3 favour so let's ignore it.

Resonance of fate on X360 sold 2/3 of what PS3 version of Resonance of Fate sold in the West and if we include Japan number PS3 version sold twice as much.



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Zlejedi said:
Mad55 said:
brendude13 said:
Mad55 said:
brendude13 said:
Zucas said:

Ugh only on the PS3.  Games I tend to get on the PS3, which aren't many, don't seem to get played haha.  Probably won't even buy it knowing that truth about me.  Was kinda secretly hoping it would also be ported to the 360 but damnit.  Glad to see Tales getting some western love, but looks like I won't be enjoying it initially.

So if it's PS3 exclusive you won't buy it, but if it's on the XBOX 360 aswell, then you will buy it, despite owning both consoles.

Where is the logic in that? You are going to boycott a great game out of brand loyalty?

I personally don't want to see another Tales game anywhere near the XBOX 360. The majority of XBOX 360 owners have no interest in or respect for the Tales franchise or the JRPG genre as a whole, hence the low sales and review scores. That's what irritated me when I was playing Tales of Vesperia, it was a great game but what the hell was it doing on the XBOX 360? It's for that reason we will probably never see the huge amounts of extra content in the JAP PS3 version of the game on either console, Namco will just lose faith in Western audiences.

Um vesperia got low scores cause it was on 360/ i think not. and jrpgs sell pretty well on the 360 in comparison to the ps3 lost odyssey sold fine so did the last remnant and infinite undiscovery and according to vgchartz vesperia did 500k and there was an article a ways back were one of the developers said they would like to sell 500,000 copies.  You seem pretty loyal yourself to the ps3 saying those things about the 360.


I was using the low scores as an example as to why JRPG developers lose faith in the west, because "professional" reviewers give the games low scores, should have phrased that better.

And XBOX 360 JRPG sales are mediocre, hence the reason why when the paid exclusive deal runs out, they normally make an upgraded PS3 version just a year later. The reason why I am pissed is because a lot of these upgraded PS3 version never see the light of day in the West, because of the example of poor sales set by the XBOX 360.

And I'm not "loyal to the PS3", I'm just pissed off because I can't speak Japanese and I am missing out on a lot of great games and content. Not to mention I get sick to death when people complain about JRPG's not being on the XBOX 360. All three consoles target different audiences, I can assure you the XBOX 360 audience has next to no interest in JRPG's. Why should Namco spend tonnes of time and money on porting the game to another platform when it won't even sell, just for the sake of a few people complaining because the last installment was on there system.

LG's little injuction failed you know, PS3's didn't dissapear from store shelves overnight. I splashed out on both systems to enjoy the exclusives they have to offer. Tales won't sell on the XBOX 360, in the same way Gears wouldn't sell one PS3.

Don't think that I'm a fanboy who wants every game to be exclusive to PS3, like I said above, every system has its audience. I think that Bulletstorm and Mass Effect should have stayed exclusive to PS3, because they sold poorly and it only delays the games for other platforms.

I dont think your loyal to the ps3 thats just how you sounded. And the 360 audience has plenty of interest in rpgs if you compare jrpg sales from last gen to this gen no ounting final fantasy and dragon quest you will see there actually pretty similar or a bit better this gen. According to vgchartz Tales of vesperia has done over 500k on the 360 which star ocean on the ps3 hasnt done but it has been done on the 360. Saying 360 owners dont like jrpgs is not right at all i have plenty of friends who own 360's and love rpgs. Go compare jrpg sales of the 360 to the ps3 its not a big difference. And the 360 targets multiple genres just like the wii and ps3. I personally dislike when people say the 360 only has fps it doesnt I have over 15 rpgs for the 360 and only 2 fps games that i kept.

Star Ocean is one year late port.

So far only jRPGs which sales weren't damaged by Microsoft shitty timed exclusive deals are Resonance of Fate and FF XIII. FF XIII has tons of factors stacking it in PS3 favour so let's ignore it.

Resonance of fate on X360 sold 2/3 of what PS3 version of Resonance of Fate sold in the West and if we include Japan number PS3 version sold twice as much.

Okay what about lost odyssey and blue dragon both of which sold over 800k and are exclusive Also infinite undiscovery and the last remnant sold pretty well maybe not meeting expectations but they did fine. That whole year late port is getting old ifpeople want it they would have got it. and if your gonna use that logic why should namco give ps3 owners vesperia it will only sell bad because its a late port in your eyes right? Also look at ps3 jrpg exclusives like the last rebellion, Ar tonelico 3, trinity universe. hyper dimension neptunia, none of them have managed to do over 100k in america but the 360 has lower selling jrpgs that have cracked better milestones. Microsoft did those timed exclusives to help them in japan and it may not have worked but it helped more than their strategy with the original xbox and it gave 360 owners some good games It wasnt a shitty deal sony does those types of deals as well.

 

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Acevil said:
rccsetzer said:
Mr Khan said:
Train wreck said:
Mr Khan said:

Idiots. They're just leaving money on the table

Ok, Nintendo not putting mario on the xbox 360 leaves money on the table...u mad bro?

Tales of Graces F = Tales of Graces. It's the same engine, and sans some extra content, same code, just up-rezzed. It would've taken no work at all to put it on the Wii, and its idiotic in the first place that they waited this long for it to go to another console to even bother localizing it.

They could have doubled their western sales, but instead Bandai-Namco is left with its own bad decisions, and good riddance

No. Tales of Grace F is on Blu-ray. If they bring it to Wii, maybe they would need one more disc and we all know this means more costs. And no one knows if that game would sell well on Wii, a console for casual gamers.

Interesting to note, that Tales games in the west haven't generally haven't faired well on a sony console, because of over saturation. Well on Nintendo they have done better, because of lack of JRPGs. I could be wrong, but I believe Vesperia even outsold Abyss (among others) in the West.   

I am using a post from Neogaf. 

Which is using NPD numbers. 


The problem is, there aren't enough tales games outside of japan to make a fair comparison. :P  But what were the numbers for Abyss anyway? Vgchartz only shows Japan. Though the sales are pretty high for Japan only data. But H*** yeah! A rpg for ps3 <3 :D