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Viper1 on 25 April 2011
psrock said:

The same lesson Sony learned with the PSP, listen Nintendo chose to use again old tech on their systems, MS and Sony won't. They will use current GPU which way beyond 2005 version. If the next Wii is only 5 times more powerful than a 6 year console, don't expect the others to do the same or lesser. 

Modern shader architecture and cross platform game engines makes the horsepower itself not as relevant.  



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superchunk on 25 April 2011
RolStoppable said:

The Wii didn't even get PSP ports, even though it would have been a viable option for Japanese publishers. You know, getting the bigger part of the sales on the PSP in Japan and selling the majority of copies of these multiplatform games on the Wii outside of Japan. I am not talking about shoddy PSP games here, but the actual good support this handheld obviously got.

But it goes further than this. Even 3DS/Wii multiplatform development is ignored by third parties. The lack of Wii support can't be explained by specs or a different controller. The main issue is that third parties absolutely do NOT want to support the Wii. Otherwise, for example, Capcom would bring their 3DS Resident Evil games to the Wii. The Wii is powerful enough to handle 3DS games and there's already precedence that this type of Resident Evil game works fabulous with the Wii controller.

However, I think your premise for why they don't want to support Wii is wrong.

Business want to make money. This gen, no 3rd party thought Wii would be a success. So, they started investing heavily into PS360 development tools. Then a year later they realized, "fuck Wii is taking off". So they then took last gen tools and made some shoddy ports and a couple gems (zack and wiki anyone)?

Since PS2 was still around, they determined it was more cost effective, for now, to keep using tools that would enable them to make Wii ports using last gen tools and simply put that on PS2, PSP, and Wii.

Add to this that devs themselves only wanted the best scenarios for their big IPs (translation best graphics) AND the PS360 userbase together was always equal to that of Wii's... what do you get?

A solid arguement to NEVER make Wii specific tools and simply focus all high end development on PS360. Sure, a couple places did spend a little time to improve their last gen tools to make some improvements (CoD games mostly). But, in general 3rd parties just didn't want to invest in the other half of the market because the cost to do so with the knowledge that the "core" user simply preferred HD over Wii, the potential ROI simply wasn't there.

This is where 3DS and N6 differ from Wii.

They have the power to handle anything now and in the next generation. They will have the same base controller and architecture to remove all the barries 3rd parties had. They will get all the same ports in at least the same feature setup and potentially have enhanced special features due to their extra peices (3D and touch screen in controller).

This is my argument against the naysayers or the current core group of gamers that resist Nintendo so much. Next gen won't be the same. Next gen, all the consoles will get all the same 3rd party games. Only difference will be in 1st party and small details of each machine.

Without even seeing the next systems from MSony; I know that in 1st party games Nintendo wins and unless they have something major or my ideas on Nintendo's use of the screen on controller suck, Nintendo wins here too.



superchunk on 25 April 2011
psrock said:

The same lesson Sony learned with the PSP, listen Nintendo chose to use again old tech on their systems, MS and Sony won't. They will use current GPU which way beyond 2005 version. If the next Wii is only 5 times more powerful than a 6 year console, don't expect the others to do the same or lesser. 

NGP is a moderate increase. Its not 25x more powerful than the PSP, like the PS3 is to PS2.

N6 is not going to be 'old gen'. Hell, we don't even know what it really is yet.

But, to have the streaming concept that can even do different things on each controller vs TV, etc. it has to be pretty powerful.

I am surprised you really think MSony will once again create a console that will take 3 years to be profitable after all that has happened this gen.

They will have a far more moderate approach and will want to be profitable within a year of launch at worst.

N6 will be significantly more powerful than PS360 and within reach of their succesors.



psrock on 25 April 2011
Viper1 said:
psrock said:

The same lesson Sony learned with the PSP, listen Nintendo chose to use again old tech on their systems, MS and Sony won't. They will use current GPU which way beyond 2005 version. If the next Wii is only 5 times more powerful than a 6 year console, don't expect the others to do the same or lesser. 

Modern shader architecture and cross platform game engines makes the horsepower itself not as relevant.  

They would still be behind and 3rd parties will still use that as an excuse. Some of you need to stop dreaming. 

There is no reason TONS of 3rd party games are not on the Wii. People, Iphone has MGS4 port. There is no reason, none beside not wanting those games on a Nintendo systems. If you people think all the sudden, those big games will suddenly appear, good luck. They will test the system and slowly leave it as MS and Sony announce their new consoles. 



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superchunk on 25 April 2011
Viper1 said:
psrock said:

The same lesson Sony learned with the PSP, listen Nintendo chose to use again old tech on their systems, MS and Sony won't. They will use current GPU which way beyond 2005 version. If the next Wii is only 5 times more powerful than a 6 year console, don't expect the others to do the same or lesser. 

Modern shader architecture and cross platform game engines makes the horsepower itself not as relevant.  

Exactly.... and, to psrock and those arguing with me, this why N6 will be far closer to PS360's succesors in raw power and cost than they seem to think.



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superchunk on 25 April 2011
psrock said:
Viper1 said:
psrock said:

The same lesson Sony learned with the PSP, listen Nintendo chose to use again old tech on their systems, MS and Sony won't. They will use current GPU which way beyond 2005 version. If the next Wii is only 5 times more powerful than a 6 year console, don't expect the others to do the same or lesser. 

Modern shader architecture and cross platform game engines makes the horsepower itself not as relevant.  

They would still be behind and 3rd parties will still use that as an excuse. Some of you need to stop dreaming. 

There is no reason TONS of 3rd party games are not on the Wii. People, Iphone has MGS4 port. There is no reason, none beside not wanting those games on a Nintendo systems. If you people think all the sudden, those big games will suddenly appear, good luck. They will test the system and slowly leave it as MS and Sony announce their new consoles. 

iPhone is not a games machine and is a different market.

Wii gets no support due to massive differences and devs not wanting to build the tools. Basically they see Wii as an unnecesary cost as PS360/PC are ok for the game market.

iPhone is a new market and as such they are willing to spend the developement to bring games that way. Completely different business case that managers are willing to expand to.

Had Wii been at a similar tech level, it would have the same ports.



Alby_da_Wolf on 25 April 2011

Will it use teh C3ll and Blu Ray or will it be d0med?  O-) 



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psrock on 25 April 2011
superchunk said:
psrock said:
 

The same lesson Sony learned with the PSP, listen Nintendo chose to use again old tech on their systems, MS and Sony won't. They will use current GPU which way beyond 2005 version. If the next Wii is only 5 times more powerful than a 6 year console, don't expect the others to do the same or lesser. 

NGP is a moderate increase. Its not 25x more powerful than the PSP, like the PS3 is to PS2.

N6 is not going to be 'old gen'. Hell, we don't even know what it really is yet.

But, to have the streaming concept that can even do different things on each controller vs TV, etc. it has to be pretty powerful.

I am surprised you really think MSony will once again create a console that will take 3 years to be profitable after all that has happened this gen.

They will have a far more moderate approach and will want to be profitable within a year of launch at worst.

N6 will be significantly more powerful than PS360 and within reach of their succesors.

Going from PS2 to PS3 is moderate, because that's how Sony sees it. Dude, we were disscuusing how Sony did not learn from the PS3 when it comes to the NGP. 

I am not saying the next Wii won't be powerful, I am saying we just saw with 3ds and NGP how things will work out on the console front. Nintendo will have a very powerful system but it will be far behind the next consoles coming up. 



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superchunk on 25 April 2011
RolStoppable said:

I don't know about that, EA has pretty much proven that making money isn't really a priority for them.

Beyond that, I am not going to say more until you addressed the lack of 3DS/Wii multiplatform development. It's cost effective and Wii third party games can still sell in excess of one million copies. You said it yourself: Businesses want to make money. So why do they hold off?


3DS has multiplatform development. The list I saw was a huge list of games from all makers. Additionally, its very early in its life. As more games come and 3DS expands, this will be more apparent. Especially as games like SSIV continue to dominate sales.

I already addressed the Wii, its all based on costs for developing on a completely unique console. We've discussed this before and basically agreed.



psrock on 25 April 2011
superchunk said:
Viper1 said:
psrock said:

The same lesson Sony learned with the PSP, listen Nintendo chose to use again old tech on their systems, MS and Sony won't. They will use current GPU which way beyond 2005 version. If the next Wii is only 5 times more powerful than a 6 year console, don't expect the others to do the same or lesser. 

Modern shader architecture and cross platform game engines makes the horsepower itself not as relevant.  

Exactly.... and, to psrock and those arguing with me, this why N6 will be far closer to PS360's succesors in raw power and cost than they seem to think.

You think as if this new one is to compete with PS3/360, maybe for one year, but MS/Sony won't just sit there and do nothing. I expect new HD systems announce next year. 



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