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Final-Fan said:

1.  I have to wonder if you are deliberately misunderstanding me.  I am not speaking of knowing everything about God; far from it.  On the other hand, you continue to claim that the events described in the Bible are strong evidence, when in fact I do not consider the Bible to be reliable enough evidence in this matter.  Also, you speak vaguely of "miracles" and even more vaguely of "our lives as "manifestations of God", when the former are unsubstantiated IMO and the latter are blatantly begging the question if I understand you correctly. 

2.  So God is at least as guilty as Hitler, though they did not personally pull the triggers. 

" die and if God exists and isn't a humongous dick then the worst I should get is Purgatory if I've been a decent guy"
Just an honest reminder: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - (John 3:16-18).
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father [GOD], but by me." (John 14:6).

I mentioned proofs as you asked. You try to see God with your eyes and mind, but with that, you will never reach God, for God is seen with your heart and as He lives in your heart.


2. At least? There´s no at least, nor equal. God gave freedom and wisdom as to best choose our ways. What you do is your responsability, what you don`t do is not your responsability.



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DélioPT said:
vlad321 said:
 

I can make a claim they are all wrong. I created them such that they are all wrong without proof. Every belief in the set I created is exclusive, and my spirituality is not enough to tell me which one is correct and which one is not. No one's spirituality is, unless they claim theirs is superior.

That's the point though. All I am claiming is that the belief I formed from my spiritual faith states that CB exists. Incidentally, CB states that Mary is a liar. I am now telling you that I believe I am on the right path, yet you feel insulted. Hypocrisy.

Yet you think that no proof automatically equals being wrong. Until you have absolute knowledge you can`t say that or you will be just jumping ahead of yourself.
It´s not a question of being better or being superior. Faith is a way of life and as i said before, one day we will all see the truth.

You still don`t understand what respect and tolerance means. Every single person is born free, but your freedom ends where the other one starts. Don`t justify yourself with arguments as to be ok to insult someone.

No proof does indeed mean wrong. That includes both observable and spiritual proof. It is stupid to assume something when it could be an infinite amount of other things.

Ok let me lay this out for you. My religion says that Mary is a liar. You say that if someone says they are right, you don't get offended. When I say I am right, you get offended. Why do you get insulted if you don't get insulted when others tell you their belief is right? The answer is hypocrisy.



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What you call proof is not proof, and you are just contradicting yourself on point 2. 

Speaking of contradicting yourself, Delio. 

Way back, I asked if one of two options was your position.  One of these stated "You go to Hell unless you make the active choice of taking a "leap of faith" and believing in God..."

Since that is EXACTLY THE SAME THING as your quote just said, why did you not identify that as your position, and then quibble over the rest of that option?  That would have been so much better than letting me think differently and talk about it like it WAS different, only to come in with this bullshit a dozen posts later. 

Delio, honestly.  At a guess, you're not as blinkered as Joecool is, but you just -- keep -- on -- contradicting yourself and miscommunicating and it is getting very, very old.  I am done.  I can't have a conversation with someone who can't even identify his own position when directly asked. 



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vlad321 said:
DélioPT said:
vlad321 said:
 

I can make a claim they are all wrong. I created them such that they are all wrong without proof. Every belief in the set I created is exclusive, and my spirituality is not enough to tell me which one is correct and which one is not. No one's spirituality is, unless they claim theirs is superior.

That's the point though. All I am claiming is that the belief I formed from my spiritual faith states that CB exists. Incidentally, CB states that Mary is a liar. I am now telling you that I believe I am on the right path, yet you feel insulted. Hypocrisy.

Yet you think that no proof automatically equals being wrong. Until you have absolute knowledge you can`t say that or you will be just jumping ahead of yourself.
It´s not a question of being better or being superior. Faith is a way of life and as i said before, one day we will all see the truth.

You still don`t understand what respect and tolerance means. Every single person is born free, but your freedom ends where the other one starts. Don`t justify yourself with arguments as to be ok to insult someone.

No proof does indeed mean wrong. That includes both observable and spiritual proof. It is stupid to assume something when it could be an infinite amount of other things.

Ok let me lay this out for you. My religion says that Mary is a liar. You say that if someone says they are right, you don't get offended. When I say I am right, you get offended. Why do you get insulted if you don't get insulted when others tell you their belief is right? The answer is hypocrisy.


Problem is what you don`t consider as proof other people do, that`s why you are making such statement. I don`t know about your religion(s), but in mine there is proof, just not what people want to accept, because to these people seeing is believing.
Making something without proof does equal nothing. But only what you created.



I didn`t say anything about being right, i said about being in the right path, it`s different. Someone saying they fell they are on the right path it`s different than saying they are right. Everyone who follows a religion will say they are on the right path. Should we be offended by that? No. They are just saying something about them and not making personnal judgments about others. It`s when they do that and call people names, that they cross the line.



DélioPT said:
vlad321 said:
DélioPT said:
vlad321 said:
 

I can make a claim they are all wrong. I created them such that they are all wrong without proof. Every belief in the set I created is exclusive, and my spirituality is not enough to tell me which one is correct and which one is not. No one's spirituality is, unless they claim theirs is superior.

That's the point though. All I am claiming is that the belief I formed from my spiritual faith states that CB exists. Incidentally, CB states that Mary is a liar. I am now telling you that I believe I am on the right path, yet you feel insulted. Hypocrisy.

Yet you think that no proof automatically equals being wrong. Until you have absolute knowledge you can`t say that or you will be just jumping ahead of yourself.
It´s not a question of being better or being superior. Faith is a way of life and as i said before, one day we will all see the truth.

You still don`t understand what respect and tolerance means. Every single person is born free, but your freedom ends where the other one starts. Don`t justify yourself with arguments as to be ok to insult someone.

No proof does indeed mean wrong. That includes both observable and spiritual proof. It is stupid to assume something when it could be an infinite amount of other things.

Ok let me lay this out for you. My religion says that Mary is a liar. You say that if someone says they are right, you don't get offended. When I say I am right, you get offended. Why do you get insulted if you don't get insulted when others tell you their belief is right? The answer is hypocrisy.


Problem is what you don`t consider as proof other people do, that`s why you are making such statement. I don`t know about your religion(s), but in mine there is proof, just not what people want to accept, because to these people seeing is believing.
Making something without proof does equal nothing. But only what you created.



I didn`t say anything about being right, i said about being in the right path, it`s different. Someone saying they fell they are on the right path it`s different than saying they are right. Everyone who follows a religion will say they are on the right path. Should we be offended by that? No. They are just saying something about them and not making personnal judgments about others. It`s when they do that and call people names, that they cross the line.


What a coincidence! My religion also has proof, it is also based solely on spiritual proof. However, seeing as your spiritual proof and mine are at odds and equally "valid" we both end up being wrong.

That is what I am saying, I am on the right path to being one with CB. I am saying something about me. My religion is doing the talking and blaming Mary of being a liar. In the end, you say there is no reason for you to be offended by me saying I am on the right path, yet you are.



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vlad321 said:
DélioPT said:
vlad321 said:
DélioPT said:
vlad321 said:
 

I can make a claim they are all wrong. I created them such that they are all wrong without proof. Every belief in the set I created is exclusive, and my spirituality is not enough to tell me which one is correct and which one is not. No one's spirituality is, unless they claim theirs is superior.

That's the point though. All I am claiming is that the belief I formed from my spiritual faith states that CB exists. Incidentally, CB states that Mary is a liar. I am now telling you that I believe I am on the right path, yet you feel insulted. Hypocrisy.

Yet you think that no proof automatically equals being wrong. Until you have absolute knowledge you can`t say that or you will be just jumping ahead of yourself.
It´s not a question of being better or being superior. Faith is a way of life and as i said before, one day we will all see the truth.

You still don`t understand what respect and tolerance means. Every single person is born free, but your freedom ends where the other one starts. Don`t justify yourself with arguments as to be ok to insult someone.

No proof does indeed mean wrong. That includes both observable and spiritual proof. It is stupid to assume something when it could be an infinite amount of other things.

Ok let me lay this out for you. My religion says that Mary is a liar. You say that if someone says they are right, you don't get offended. When I say I am right, you get offended. Why do you get insulted if you don't get insulted when others tell you their belief is right? The answer is hypocrisy.


Problem is what you don`t consider as proof other people do, that`s why you are making such statement. I don`t know about your religion(s), but in mine there is proof, just not what people want to accept, because to these people seeing is believing.
Making something without proof does equal nothing. But only what you created.



I didn`t say anything about being right, i said about being in the right path, it`s different. Someone saying they fell they are on the right path it`s different than saying they are right. Everyone who follows a religion will say they are on the right path. Should we be offended by that? No. They are just saying something about them and not making personnal judgments about others. It`s when they do that and call people names, that they cross the line.


What a coincidence! My religion also has proof, it is also based solely on spiritual proof. However, seeing as your spiritual proof and mine are at odds and equally "valid" we both end up being wrong.

That is what I am saying, I am on the right path to being one with CB. I am saying something about me. My religion is doing the talking and blaming Mary of being a liar. In the end, you say there is no reason for you to be offended by me saying I am on the right path, yet you are.

Solely based on spiritual proof? I didn`t say that aswell. How do you know both spiritual proofs are at odds? How do you reach such statement? Do you have absolute knowledge to say such a thing?
Still, being equally wrong is your way of seeing things through rational eyes. As i said before, reality doesn`t confine to reason, so in the end we will the truth.

I didn`t get offended by you saying you are on the right path, i said it not right to offend someone and even if your religion says is ok to do it, nothing´s stopping you from respecting other people`s feelings. Because that`s being tolerant and respectful.
And as you said, creating a situation just to force a situation doesn´t seem fair, does it?

You can say whatever is that your religion says, still, that doesn`t stop you from not saying something when you know it`s gonna offend someone else.



DélioPT said:
vlad321 said:
DélioPT said:

Problem is what you don`t consider as proof other people do, that`s why you are making such statement. I don`t know about your religion(s), but in mine there is proof, just not what people want to accept, because to these people seeing is believing.
Making something without proof does equal nothing. But only what you created.



I didn`t say anything about being right, i said about being in the right path, it`s different. Someone saying they fell they are on the right path it`s different than saying they are right. Everyone who follows a religion will say they are on the right path. Should we be offended by that? No. They are just saying something about them and not making personnal judgments about others. It`s when they do that and call people names, that they cross the line.


What a coincidence! My religion also has proof, it is also based solely on spiritual proof. However, seeing as your spiritual proof and mine are at odds and equally "valid" we both end up being wrong.

That is what I am saying, I am on the right path to being one with CB. I am saying something about me. My religion is doing the talking and blaming Mary of being a liar. In the end, you say there is no reason for you to be offended by me saying I am on the right path, yet you are.

Solely based on spiritual proof? I didn`t say that aswell. How do you know both spiritual proofs are at odds? How do you reach such statement? Do you have absolute knowledge to say such a thing?
Still, being equally wrong is your way of seeing things through rational eyes. As i said before, reality doesn`t confine to reason, so in the end we will the truth.

I didn`t get offended by you saying you are on the right path, i said it not right to offend someone and even if your religion says is ok to do it, nothing´s stopping you from respecting other people`s feelings. Because that`s being tolerant and respectful.
And as you said, creating a situation just to force a situation doesn´t seem fair, does it?

You can say whatever is that your religion says, still, that doesn`t stop you from not saying something when you know it`s gonna offend someone else.

Because my spiritual belief is in complete contradiction of your spiritual belief. I don't see what's not to understand here....

Even I can't figure out how you just rationalized it in your head that it is fine for me to claim I am on the right path and therefore insult you, yet you are not fine with it. Let me put it in another way. When you claim you are on the right path, I am insulted because you are claiming that Mary is a virgin. I find it insulting that Mary is a virgin. Therefore you are not allowed to say you are on the right path, because I would find it insulting.



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HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 



vlad321 said:
DélioPT said:
vlad321 said:
DélioPT said:

Problem is what you don`t consider as proof other people do, that`s why you are making such statement. I don`t know about your religion(s), but in mine there is proof, just not what people want to accept, because to these people seeing is believing.
Making something without proof does equal nothing. But only what you created.



I didn`t say anything about being right, i said about being in the right path, it`s different. Someone saying they fell they are on the right path it`s different than saying they are right. Everyone who follows a religion will say they are on the right path. Should we be offended by that? No. They are just saying something about them and not making personnal judgments about others. It`s when they do that and call people names, that they cross the line.


What a coincidence! My religion also has proof, it is also based solely on spiritual proof. However, seeing as your spiritual proof and mine are at odds and equally "valid" we both end up being wrong.

That is what I am saying, I am on the right path to being one with CB. I am saying something about me. My religion is doing the talking and blaming Mary of being a liar. In the end, you say there is no reason for you to be offended by me saying I am on the right path, yet you are.

Solely based on spiritual proof? I didn`t say that aswell. How do you know both spiritual proofs are at odds? How do you reach such statement? Do you have absolute knowledge to say such a thing?
Still, being equally wrong is your way of seeing things through rational eyes. As i said before, reality doesn`t confine to reason, so in the end we will the truth.

I didn`t get offended by you saying you are on the right path, i said it not right to offend someone and even if your religion says is ok to do it, nothing´s stopping you from respecting other people`s feelings. Because that`s being tolerant and respectful.
And as you said, creating a situation just to force a situation doesn´t seem fair, does it?

You can say whatever is that your religion says, still, that doesn`t stop you from not saying something when you know it`s gonna offend someone else.

Because my spiritual belief is in complete contradiction of your spiritual belief. I don't see what's not to understand here....

Even I can't figure out how you just rationalized it in your head that it is fine for me to claim I am on the right path and therefore insult you, yet you are not fine with it. Let me put it in another way. When you claim you are on the right path, I am insulted because you are claiming that Mary is a virgin. I find it insulting that Mary is a virgin. Therefore you are not allowed to say you are on the right path, because I would find it insulting.


I misunderstood the "at odds" comment. I was actually coming back to correct it.
As i said before being valid does not equal wrong or right. You have to prove something wrong or right. But no one ever will through reason alone.

When you say you feel you are on the right path, that`s not insulting. When you call people names that`s insulting, even if your religion says it is right doesn`t mean other religions will see it that way.
If you choose to find it insulting so be it, there`s no reason to keep talking.

Honestly i don`t see why you are making up arguments just for the sake of it. Are trying to establish a place where you can say what you want without repercussions of any kind? Does it seem good or honest to you? you were the one who started by saying you were making things up.

You, saying such things, i don`t really see the point of it.



Hynad said:

They both sound stupid...

And the atheist one isn't actually accurate, it's meant to be expansion from a singular point rather then nothing that "exploded".