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vlad321 on 24 April 2011
sapphi_snake said:
vlad321 said:
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vlad321 said:
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It's still not allowed, according to the bill.


"R-Shelbyville, who said current law already prohibits the teaching of any sex education not covered by the state Board of Education's "family life curriculum," the Knoxville News Sentinel reported Friday. However, Campfield contended homosexuality is being discussed in classrooms. "

Right from the linked article. I see no problem with what they are dong given no one talks about sexuality at all. Also, the bill implies homosexuality in class. If you go after class or whatever and ask a teacher it seems it is fine.

That's in theory, but in practice you can be sure that some conservaticve christian parent will have a cow if he hears a teacher talked about homosexuality in any context whatsoever.

According to this it seems like they just put homosezuality on even footing with actual sexuality. If the kid can go and ask a bout a girl after class, then the kid can also talk about homosexuality.

As I said, homosexuality doesn't necessarily have to be discussed in a sexual context. For example if you say Ferdinand married Isabelle, that's essentially discussing heterosexuality in a non-sexual context. And this is allowed. However discussing soemthing like Emperor Hadrian had a male concubine named Antonius whom he loved, is forbidden by this bill. Heck, saying that homosexuals were victims of the Holocaust is forbidden by this bill.

And I am saying that they will learn all that after 9th grade anyhow, because history education pre 9th grade is utterly shit and useless. In the end no knowledge is missed out on.



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vlad321 on 24 April 2011

I am surprised you guys are pissed about this and not why homosexuality isn't in the "family life curriculum," in the first place.



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sapphi_snake on 24 April 2011
vlad321 said:
sapphi_snake said:
vlad321 said:
sapphi_snake said:
vlad321 said:
sapphi_snake said:

It's still not allowed, according to the bill.


"R-Shelbyville, who said current law already prohibits the teaching of any sex education not covered by the state Board of Education's "family life curriculum," the Knoxville News Sentinel reported Friday. However, Campfield contended homosexuality is being discussed in classrooms. "

Right from the linked article. I see no problem with what they are dong given no one talks about sexuality at all. Also, the bill implies homosexuality in class. If you go after class or whatever and ask a teacher it seems it is fine.

That's in theory, but in practice you can be sure that some conservaticve christian parent will have a cow if he hears a teacher talked about homosexuality in any context whatsoever.

According to this it seems like they just put homosezuality on even footing with actual sexuality. If the kid can go and ask a bout a girl after class, then the kid can also talk about homosexuality.

As I said, homosexuality doesn't necessarily have to be discussed in a sexual context. For example if you say Ferdinand married Isabelle, that's essentially discussing heterosexuality in a non-sexual context. And this is allowed. However discussing soemthing like Emperor Hadrian had a male concubine named Antonius whom he loved, is forbidden by this bill. Heck, saying that homosexuals were victims of the Holocaust is forbidden by this bill.

And I am saying that they will learn all that after 9th grade anyhow, because history education pre 9th grade is utterly shit and useless. In the end no knowledge is missed out on.

Well, I'd say that they don't learn enough though. I think most countries should copy/paste the Scandinavian system. I sol would've loved to know about puberty and sex before I actually went through these, and not after (and just the puberty part, as I had to learn about sex by myself). Would've saved me lots of trouble.



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sapphi_snake on 24 April 2011
vlad321 said:

I am surprised you guys are pissed about this and not why homosexuality isn't in the "family life curriculum," in the first place.

I actually wanted to write about that, but you beat me to it. Damn homophobes. Trying to hijack "family life".



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ssj12 on 24 April 2011
vlad321 said:
ssj12 said:
vlad321 said:
ssj12 said:
vlad321 said:

Then it is not in class, is it?

Well..

The video says, it also limits actual education. World history has a lot of homosexual figures and events. So basically any hope of a proper history education in Tennessee is going to be thrown out the window because Greeks had homosexuals, Romans had homosexuals, the US south had homosexuals, the Japanese had homosexuals, the Germans had homosexuals, etc, etc. This means you cannot go into percussion of certain people that different cultures deemed wrong, you cannot discuss the morality of the actions, and you lose understanding.

Again, ALL sexsuality is banned. Also you never learn shit about history before the 9th grade anyhow. So don't even try to push it off as if they are losing anything.


actually, you are supposed to at least learn american history and go into basic mythology and such. So this law hurts american history. You cannot teach about gay pride events and such which means entire sections in history books will be skipped. whats worse is if all sexuality is banned, you can't even learn about the basics of marriage or even learn the word in spelling/english classes.

That is kind of funny, because whatever you learn pre-9th grade you learn in high-school anyhow. That goes for world and american history. Literally, anything you learn before 9th grade in history is absolutely useless.

not true, early history classes are used to beat the idea that the USA is the greatest country in the world, we are gods, and no one is better than us. Its useful to the government to brainwash kids and make them mindless puppets.



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Mr Khan on 24 April 2011
ssj12 said:
vlad321 said:
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First of all, extremely misleading thread title.

Second, is there sex educatoin before the 9th grade in the state? If not, then this is would seem just fine. No point of talkign abut homosexuality if sexuality hasn't been talked about in the first place.


It is still wrong, because if a 8th grade student comes to a teacher with questions on why he thinks boy x is cute, or female thinks girl y is hott they cannot discuss it and explain to them why.

Then it is not in class, is it?

Well..

The video says, it also limits actual education. World history has a lot of homosexual figures and events. So basically any hope of a proper history education in Tennessee is going to be thrown out the window because Greeks had homosexuals, Romans had homosexuals, the US south had homosexuals, the Japanese had homosexuals, the Germans had homosexuals, etc, etc. This means you cannot go into percussion of certain people that different cultures deemed wrong, you cannot discuss the morality of the actions, and you lose understanding.

Right, but their sexuality is largely incidental, and mostly irrelevant to the kind of watered-down history they teach throughout high school (even past 9th grade)



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vlad321 on 24 April 2011
sapphi_snake said:
vlad321 said:

I am surprised you guys are pissed about this and not why homosexuality isn't in the "family life curriculum," in the first place.

I actually wanted to write about that, but you beat me to it. Damn homophobes. Trying to hijack "family life".


Well, technically you can't have a natural family if you are a homosexual couple, so given the label it does what it says it is.



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sapphi_snake on 24 April 2011
vlad321 said:
sapphi_snake said:
vlad321 said:

I am surprised you guys are pissed about this and not why homosexuality isn't in the "family life curriculum," in the first place.

I actually wanted to write about that, but you beat me to it. Damn homophobes. Trying to hijack "family life".


Well, technically you can't have a natural family if you are a homosexual couple, so given the label it does what it says it is.

So? Saying something like that also demeans heterosexual couples who can't concieve children. It even demeans adopted children, and stresses that they're not "really" part of the family. Of course these peopel don't take that into account, because they only really want to hurt and demean gays at all costs.



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vlad321 on 24 April 2011
sapphi_snake said:
vlad321 said:
sapphi_snake said:
vlad321 said:

I am surprised you guys are pissed about this and not why homosexuality isn't in the "family life curriculum," in the first place.

I actually wanted to write about that, but you beat me to it. Damn homophobes. Trying to hijack "family life".


Well, technically you can't have a natural family if you are a homosexual couple, so given the label it does what it says it is.

So? Saying something like that also demeans heterosexual couples who can't concieve children. It even demeans adopted children, and stresses that they're not "really" part of the family. Of course these peopel don't take that into account, because they only really want to hurt and demean gays at all costs.


Well if they call it family life, and insist on it being natural, then yes, it will be insulting to thos groups. It's tough, but that is reality. If they want to talk about raising children no matter who the "parents" are, then call it somethinig else. You should be pushing for a program other than the one labeled "family life curriculum" to account for those people.



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sapphi_snake on 24 April 2011
vlad321 said:
sapphi_snake said:
vlad321 said:
sapphi_snake said:
vlad321 said:

I am surprised you guys are pissed about this and not why homosexuality isn't in the "family life curriculum," in the first place.

I actually wanted to write about that, but you beat me to it. Damn homophobes. Trying to hijack "family life".


Well, technically you can't have a natural family if you are a homosexual couple, so given the label it does what it says it is.

So? Saying something like that also demeans heterosexual couples who can't concieve children. It even demeans adopted children, and stresses that they're not "really" part of the family. Of course these peopel don't take that into account, because they only really want to hurt and demean gays at all costs.


Well if they call it family life, and insist on it being natural, then yes, it will be insulting to thos groups. It's tough, but that is reality. If they want to talk about raising children, then call it somethinig else.

I really really dislike those people.



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