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Farmageddon said:
sapphi_snake said:
Farmageddon said:

Yeah, you're a lost cause. :(

Or are you by any chance deaf? :P

Anyway, you're running out of time, aren't you? Decided anything yet?

No. I'm in the process of procrastiating. I have no ideea what I'm gonna do. I'm hoping they jsut forge about it or something.

Well, then probably they'll either forget it or you'll just go along with it. That's my bet anyway :P

Yeah, looks that way. So far it seems that they have forgotten about it, so I am optimistic. May just manage to get out of this one OK and continue my little charade.



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Garnett said:
pizzahut451 said:
Garnett said:
sapphi_snake said:
Garnett said:
sapphi_snake said:
Garnett said:

Just say this to them

"Hell is not a place you go, if you not a christian

it's the failure of your lifes greatest ambition

It's a bad decision to blindly follow any religion"

then you follow up "Before i decide what religion i am, i must do extensive research" then in about 6 months, tell them you dont believe in any religion.

Won't the bolded part offend or upset them? As for the final paragraph, what's the point of it. Wouldn't it just be easier to just tell them I've come to the conclusion that all religions are false?

Religous people get offended no matter what... And atleast your giving them idea, your looking into the relgion... Its like saying "Hey im looking for a job" and then 6 months later "well i couldnt find a job sorry " instead of saying "im not looking for a job at all"

Well, I see where's you're getting at, but if I do it I don't think I'd word it like that.

Religion usually makes people think that their opinion is right, and everything else is wrong.

As well as atheism

Athiest have more open opinions, Relgious people think that god did this and no way around it. 

Atheist people think God didnt do this and no way around it, so? It still makes people think thier opinnion is right and everything else wrong



Kirameo said:

In my opinion there's nothing you can do until you have moved out or until you feel the right time has come.

In my case, my mother knows that I'm atheist but my dad doesn't. Although it doesn't matter because I don't live with my dad.

When I get degree I'll definitely not care about my family's opinion on my beliefs.

Yeah, when I get my own place I will definately not be afraid anymore. Sadly, that does not look like it will be happening very soon.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

pizzahut451 said:
Garnett said:

Athiest have more open opinions, Relgious people think that god did this and no way around it. 

Atheist people think God didnt do this and no way around it, so? It still makes people think thier opinnion is right and everything else wrong

Nah, some may be like that but - just as religious people - the full range of fanaticism is represented, from very open to anal. I find most atheists' minds are more open than that. I mean, ok, maybe they're sure there's no God, but they're a lot less prejudicial of people who think otherwise (yea, depending on how far these people go), and that was the point.



sapphi_snake said:
Troll_Whisperer said:
sapphi_snake said:
Troll_Whisperer said:

Tell them you're a mass murderer. Then, say you're joking and you're only an atheist. Their relief will be greater than their anger.

Someone already said this. Have people actually tried this in real life, that it has become such a popular method?

I don't know, but it only makes sense

But seriously, just tell them. Perhaps you can let them know you are going on holidays somewhere and disappear for a couple of weeks, and the right before leaving you tell them and they have two weeks to think about it. You will avoid a violent situation. If you don't want to tell them straight you can write everything down and leave them the letter or something, that way you can explain that if they really love you they have to accept you and all that stuff.

Well, I start classes on Wednesday, and I have an exam on Thursday, so disappearing somewhere for a couple of weeks is out of the question. And to be honest, I am afraid they will say they dont love me anymore.

When are you going to hav some free time? Wait till then. Anyway, you should be able to leave your parents home soon I guess (don't know how these thing work in Romania). I guess you have to pretend till then if you're really scared.

To be honest, if your parents stop loving you because of your beliefs, then this whole thing is not worth your time. Even my 80 year-old grandmother has accepted that I am an atheist, I have an asian girlfriend, my mum is also an athiest and never married (and raised me alone), and has a black boyfriend. She may be upset for a while, but she interiorises it and then just accepts it.

If you're REALLY sick of the situation and your relation with your parents, live abroad for a while. Your an EU citizen and your English is perfect. Renting a small room in and getting a shitty job for a few months in the UK/Ireland should be easy. You'll be isolated from your whole life for a while and can come back when ready. Maybe your parents will miss you and decide after that that they love you no matter what. If they don't, then you'll just be ready to leave their house.



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Troll_Whisperer said:

When are you going to hav some free time? Wait till then. Anyway, you should be able to leave your parents home soon I guess (don't know how these thing work in Romania). I guess you have to pretend till then if you're really scared.

To be honest, if your parents stop loving you because of your beliefs, then this whole thing is not worth your time. Even my 80 year-old grandmother has accepted that I am an atheist, I have an asian girlfriend, my mum is also an athiest and never married (and raised me alone), and has a black boyfriend. She may be upset for a while, but she interiorises it and then just accepts it.

If you're REALLY sick of the situation and your relation with your parents, live abroad for a while. Your an EU citizen and your English is perfect. Renting a small room in and getting a shitty job for a few months in the UK/Ireland should be easy. You'll be isolated from your whole life for a while and can come back when ready. Maybe your parents will miss you and decide after that that they love you no matter what. If they don't, then you'll just be ready to leave their house.

Haha, I'll have some free time during the summer.

And all things considered, I don't see myself being able to get my own place 'till my 30s, unless I rent an appartment and get a roomate.

Also, I don't really understand. You say your mom is an atheist, so why was she upset because you're one? Or were you talking about your grandmother?

"Renting a small room in and getting a shitty job... yeah, living the dream!!! (LOL) It's actually quite impossible to do due to certain circumstances beyond my control. Still, it would be nice to make them miss me for a while. Maybe that way they'll appreciate me more. Traveling would be a nice thing to do during the summer.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

pizzahut451 said:

Atheist people think God didnt do this and no way around it, so? It still makes people think thier opinnion is right and everything else wrong

Isn't what you think is right pretty much the definition of an opinion?



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sapphi_snake said:
Troll_Whisperer said:

When are you going to hav some free time? Wait till then. Anyway, you should be able to leave your parents home soon I guess (don't know how these thing work in Romania). I guess you have to pretend till then if you're really scared.

To be honest, if your parents stop loving you because of your beliefs, then this whole thing is not worth your time. Even my 80 year-old grandmother has accepted that I am an atheist, I have an asian girlfriend, my mum is also an athiest and never married (and raised me alone), and has a black boyfriend. She may be upset for a while, but she interiorises it and then just accepts it.

If you're REALLY sick of the situation and your relation with your parents, live abroad for a while. Your an EU citizen and your English is perfect. Renting a small room in and getting a shitty job for a few months in the UK/Ireland should be easy. You'll be isolated from your whole life for a while and can come back when ready. Maybe your parents will miss you and decide after that that they love you no matter what. If they don't, then you'll just be ready to leave their house.

Haha, I'll have some free time during the summer.

And all things considered, I don't see myself being able to get my own place 'till my 30s, unless I rent an appartment and get a roomate.

Also, I don't really understand. You say your mom is an atheist, so why was she upset because you're one? Or were you talking about your grandmother?

"Renting a small room in and getting a shitty job... yeah, living the dream!!! (LOL) It's actually quite impossible to do due to certain circumstances beyond my control. Still, it would be nice to make them miss me for a while. Maybe that way they'll appreciate me more. Traveling would be a nice thing to do during the summer.

Yeah, I was talking about my grandma, my mum's cool whatever I do and I am.

Man, any lifestyle can be exciting for a while. I was saying that because it would give you independence and that's what you may need. You would be in a totally different environment and meet new people who don't give so much importance to things like your religion, etc. It would only be temporary.

I mean, that's what I did when I didn't know what to do and got tired of my life in Spain. It turns out I learnt English and got a degree in the UK (nearly, I'm finished in 3 weeks), and now I'm going to live to Japan with my gf (who I also met here). So I'm glad I changed to a crappy life for a while. I found out I liked crappy independence over a comfortable life without it, it made me much happier. I understand this may not be for everyone, though.

Anyway, if you can't do that for whatever reason or you don't like the idea (which is cool), you could just travel as you said during the summer. Give yourself one month. Give your parents time to think and to miss you. Reassure them that you'll at least celebrate christian holidays with them and will respect their beliefs. I mean, I celebrate xmas because it's an excuse to meet with my family, even though 80% of them are atheists.

And, ultimately, you are who you are, that's it. Don't let your parents or anyone screw with your life. Will they let you out of their lives forever? In that case, what can you do? It's not your fault. Eventually, I'm sure they will accept you, because they will want to keep their son I imagine.



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I personally think you should just tell the truth. Will they disown you? Will they love you any less? I would'nt think you would want that,if that was the case,I really can't speak to how your parents would react,but I think that's the chance you have to take. You have to stay true to who you are. You can't just keep living a lie. I would think that keeping it bottled up inside,would be a constant burden and bad for your well-being. I'm sure feelings will get hurt,but again you have to do what in your heart feels right. This is all just my personal opinion,but I wish you luck on the matter.



pizzahut451 said:
Garnett said:
pizzahut451 said:
Garnett said:
sapphi_snake said:
Garnett said:
sapphi_snake said:
Garnett said:

Just say this to them

"Hell is not a place you go, if you not a christian

it's the failure of your lifes greatest ambition

It's a bad decision to blindly follow any religion"

then you follow up "Before i decide what religion i am, i must do extensive research" then in about 6 months, tell them you dont believe in any religion.

Won't the bolded part offend or upset them? As for the final paragraph, what's the point of it. Wouldn't it just be easier to just tell them I've come to the conclusion that all religions are false?

Religous people get offended no matter what... And atleast your giving them idea, your looking into the relgion... Its like saying "Hey im looking for a job" and then 6 months later "well i couldnt find a job sorry " instead of saying "im not looking for a job at all"

Well, I see where's you're getting at, but if I do it I don't think I'd word it like that.

Religion usually makes people think that their opinion is right, and everything else is wrong.

As well as atheism

Athiest have more open opinions, Relgious people think that god did this and no way around it. 

Atheist people think God didnt do this and no way around it, so? It still makes people think thier opinnion is right and everything else wrong

I think it's both ways. In general, I think in countries where most people are religious, atheists are more vocal. In countries were most people are athiest, religious people are more vocal. I think it's kinda defending yourself against the majority. When everyone thinks different from you, you become defensive.

I heard that in the US atheists are pretty vocal (can't say it's true for sure though, never lived there), so I guess it's because they are a small minority. Edit: I also find that most people saying religious people are this or that on forums are from the US. No offense, that's the impression I got, I may be wrong.

In Europe, atheism is so normal that we don't feel the need to defend it. Almost everyone my age is an atheist, so we don't feel threatened as a group. At the same time, religious people represent a large enough part of the population that we just accept it as normal, too. I would say atheists and religious people respect each other pretty much in Europe, though I have seen religious people going door to door trying to convince people, and not atheists. Religious people see their number dwindling and try to avoid it.

Ultimately, it's all down to personal belief, and we should respect each other no matter what. I am never going to try and convince a religious person that God doesn't exist, and even think that if religion works for that person, then it's a good thing. Religious people I know respect me too, so no problem.



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