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Ail on 22 April 2011
rocketpig said:

You could see why Blu-Ray was going to have a long road ahead of it when even technophiles such as myself don't care much about the improvements over DVD. Sure, it has better picture than DVD. So does most Netflix content, which generally falls under the "good enough" bridge between DVD and Blu-Ray. Plus, I already have six speakers hooked up to my sound system. I'm in no hurry to fight with the girlfriend, spend a bunch more money on a new receiver and speakers, and find space to add two or three more speakers to take advantage of Blu-Ray's improved sound capabilities. It's gone to the point of excess and the actual sound difference between 5.1 and 7.2 is so bloody minimal that it's just not worth the expense and hassle of upgrading my system. I can already rattle the shit out of my windows; that's good enough.

In favor of Blu-Ray, sometime in computing's near future we're going to need more disc space than the 9 gigs offered by dual layer DVD. When that happens, the PC industry will help support the technology but I never see Blu-Ray fully displacing DVD in the living room. There is just too much competition in the market and streaming services just work too well to ignore. THEY are the future, not another form of physical media.

With all that said, I'm going to buy the shit ouf of LOTR Extended and Star Wars when they release on Blu-Ray.


Can't wait for LOTR extended.

That will only be the 4th copy of LOTR I purchase ( both wife and me bought normal edition before we met, then I got collector extended edition and now soon, blue Ray extended !!!)



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rocketpig on 22 April 2011
Ail said:
rocketpig said:

You could see why Blu-Ray was going to have a long road ahead of it when even technophiles such as myself don't care much about the improvements over DVD. Sure, it has better picture than DVD. So does most Netflix content, which generally falls under the "good enough" bridge between DVD and Blu-Ray. Plus, I already have six speakers hooked up to my sound system. I'm in no hurry to fight with the girlfriend, spend a bunch more money on a new receiver and speakers, and find space to add two or three more speakers to take advantage of Blu-Ray's improved sound capabilities. It's gone to the point of excess and the actual sound difference between 5.1 and 7.2 is so bloody minimal that it's just not worth the expense and hassle of upgrading my system. I can already rattle the shit out of my windows; that's good enough.

In favor of Blu-Ray, sometime in computing's near future we're going to need more disc space than the 9 gigs offered by dual layer DVD. When that happens, the PC industry will help support the technology but I never see Blu-Ray fully displacing DVD in the living room. There is just too much competition in the market and streaming services just work too well to ignore. THEY are the future, not another form of physical media.

With all that said, I'm going to buy the shit ouf of LOTR Extended and Star Wars when they release on Blu-Ray.


Can't wait for LOTR extended.

That will only be the 4th copy of LOTR I purchase ( both wife and me bought normal edition before we met, then I got collector extended edition and now soon, blue Ray extended !!!)

The Star Wars Blu-Rays will be my SEVENTH purchase of the original trilogy (VHS, VHS widescreen, VHS re-releases, Laserdisc, DVD re-releases, DVD originals, Blu-Ray).




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psrock on 22 April 2011

DVD was such a huge leap from VHS, while Blu-ray seems just like an upgrade. Blu-ray is doing fine though, they seemed to be working side by side pretty well. 



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MrT-Tar on 22 April 2011

I really expected a situation like this from the beginning, where Blu-Ray has by no means failed or done badly, but however never really 'caught on'.




ssj12 on 22 April 2011

It hasn't failed, DVD is just a beast and the economy is horrid in this country. In other countries it's holding its own quite a bit better than the USA.

 

If you notice everything is in a decline versus last year, but blu-ray still held 19% of the market even though both DVD and Blu-ray took a 50% tumble versus same week last year in the USA.

Blu-ray is doing fine. It has hold of the market it wants to be. Many people still have yet to get HD programming for their HDTVs or even buy an HDTV. The market is still transitioning to HD. Give it a while still. Then by then we will be transitioning to UHDTV and four layer Blu-rays (media doesn't have to change at all for this transition, hardware shouldn't according to Memorex).



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ssj12 on 22 April 2011
scottie said:

Advantages of DVD over VHS

Better video and sound quality

Discs/cases take up less space than VHS

Ability to skip chapter, bookmark chapters, and navigate through menus, allowing extras such as deleted scenes, many languages worth of subtitles (or sometimes audio dubbing) on the one disc

More long lasting, and can be burnt as a backup if it is getting damaged.

Work in a variety of devices, from games consoles to computers

 

Advantages of Blu ray over DVD

Better video and sound quality

 

It's pretty damn obvious why Blu Ray failed

Actually Blu-ray cases are smaller, except for a select few ie Disney special editions and Blu-ray/DVD double packs digital copy. I can fit about 30% the amount of movies per shelf than DVD.

Also, more interactive and widely fuctional menus. Hitting menu keeps you in movie!

larger storage space for business.



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vlad321 on 22 April 2011

I called this all the way back in '07. Spin it whichever way you want, but blu-ray is still just a disc medium, it isn't "the future," or "next generation storage." It brings marginal benefits over DVD, and it is not even close to the gap between DVD and VHS, and that gap took forever to be overcome too. In the end blu-ray is just an iteration of a dying medium, the disk.



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ssj12 on 22 April 2011
vlad321 said:

I called this all the way back in '07. Spin it whichever way you want, but blu-ray is still just a disc medium, it isn't "the future," or "next generation storage." It brings marginal benefits over DVD, and it is not even close to the gap between DVD and VHS, and that gap took forever to be overcome too. In the end blu-ray is just an iteration of a dying medium, the disk.


Discs will never totally die. That is why holo-disc and protein discs are still in development. These discs hold terabytes of data. Their main use is for corporate off-server backups. Blu-ray is currently a very useful for corporate data storage as 50GBs of data means fewer discs are needed than DVD-DLs as one 50GB Blu-ray is equal to 5.8 DVD-DLs which saves a lot of storage space for corporates like Wal-Mart, Google, Sony, etc who has offsite back-ups into that are 100s of terabytes.

Never forget about corporate needs. I'm pretty sure at least Google has purchased the first holo-disc burner which cost about $20 million and discs cost like $1 million (?) each.

Also, even with current internet speeds, once UHD/SUHD movies are out the file sizes will massively increase making our nation's best consumer internet become useless. Even with my 40mbps internet I do not want to download/stream movies that are 80 - 100GBs each. It would take way to long. And even now Netflix last time i checked only streams 720p upscaled with 2.1 channel audio. They fail at 5.1 and 7.1, so they would be screwed with 9.2 channel audio. Internet speeds need to evolve to Google's network speeds, 2gbps, before we start seeing digital movies becoming mainstream.



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ManusJustus on 23 April 2011

Downloads are the future, and I don't see where it can go from there.



Troll_Whisperer on 24 April 2011

DVDs were launched in November 1996 but didn't surpass VHS till 2003 (50% market share).

Blu-ray launched in November 2006, and has about 20% of the market in 2011. By 2013 it may have 30% of the market.

It is gaining market share slower than DVD, but not everyone has a high-def TV (last I heard it was 65% in USA), and digital downloads are more prominent.

So personally I think Blu-ray will be fine and will have most of the market share, it's just a slow preocess.



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