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Lostplanet22 said:
Kasz216 said:

I don't know... after reading a rundown of the constiution it doesn't seem worse then a number of EU nations... like Ireland and the like.

Not in the direction the EU would like to see things go... but not "out of bounds" on what already exists.

Also, the President can't dissolve pariliment whenever he wants.  He can only dissolve parilment if they fail to reach a budget for any given year... which must me about "Shutting down government" since no one is really complaining about it.  Everyone is focusing ont he Gay Marriage thing.


Yeah and the majority of the EU countries don't accept gay marriage so why they make a fuss about Hungary;.. 

Personally I thought the news about that the next EU president possible can be voted by everyone is bigger, especially on this site;.

Really? That sounds interesting. Still, since the EU isn't a state itself, this isn't a very big issue.



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sapphi_snake said:
Lostplanet22 said:

My knowledge of Hungary's politics is not enough to really understand what is going on..

Their last Constitution was better? 

All I hear from Collegues are 'No same sex marriage and no possibility for abortion'...

I don't like it but the Hungarians population has voted for them and if they really hate it, new elections can stop those laws?

President dissolving a Parlement..what does this exactly mean?  The end of the parlement new elections?
or something like a veto?

Media laws?  What kind of media laws?

And do you really have to say something like 'Glad I don't live in Hungary' 
I know it is your opinion but if you were talkig about an other country you had chance you were banned now;. Sorry just find it unrespectful for the few Hungarian members and of my favourite members has
an Hungarian cultural background so feel like saying something about it..

1)Dissolving of Parliament means ending it and calling for new elections. The new Cosntitution gives the president the possibility to dissolve Parliament whenever he wants and for whatever reason he wants (meaning that he can do that if there's the chance they won't vote how he likes on a particular law).

2)The media laws severly limit freedom of speech (for example the media won't be able to say anything that criticises the Governemtn and the President). These laws were actually written by a Romanian who is a former member of the Securitate (the Romanian Communist Secret Police).

3)The Constitution also doesn't include sexual orientation as a criteria for discrimination, meaning that non-heterosexuals can be freely discriminated against. Also the Constitution stipulates that any attempt to change the Constitution is... UNCOSTITUTIONAL. That will basically halt any future progress in Hungary.

4)And why should I be banned because I said "Glad I don't live in Hungary". So I can't express that I wouldn't like to live in a particular country? Would you have said the same thing had my words been "Glad I don't live in Iran"? One of my best friends is Hungarian, and he's been telling me for months how terrible this new Constitution is, and how he wishes he had enough money so he could move.

1) I think that is the kind of power kings/Queens still have in some Eu countries;.I know that the king of Belgium didn't want to accept the abortion law (to have the possibility of abortion)..and stopped the law;..Only the politcians were smarter and told the world that the kingdom of Belgium would not exist for one day...And on that day the politicians voted for the law and accepted...why I mention this is because I think it makes more sense a president who is voted by the population do this than a king/Queen.. I honestly don't see a big deal in it so long this means their will be new elections;.and if the population wants the law he will not be president again..

2) The problem is that Hungary is an democracy, it means that the population voted for those people who made the media laws..Sadly their is not much they can do for now.;.but the EU is following the issue and I guess when something drastic happens the EU will condemn Hungary for it..And sanctions follow..

3) See 2  It would not be the first time Hungarians have to hear that they can't change the constitution..

4) Not banned...Just unrespectfull



 

sapphi_snake said:
Lostplanet22 said:
Kasz216 said:

I don't know... after reading a rundown of the constiution it doesn't seem worse then a number of EU nations... like Ireland and the like.

Not in the direction the EU would like to see things go... but not "out of bounds" on what already exists.

Also, the President can't dissolve pariliment whenever he wants.  He can only dissolve parilment if they fail to reach a budget for any given year... which must me about "Shutting down government" since no one is really complaining about it.  Everyone is focusing ont he Gay Marriage thing.


Yeah and the majority of the EU countries don't accept gay marriage so why they make a fuss about Hungary;.. 

Personally I thought the news about that the next EU president possible can be voted by everyone is bigger, especially on this site;.

Really? That sounds interesting. Still, since the EU isn't a state itself, this isn't a very big issue.

Well for me it is, and considering we had some discussions about it on VG I thought it would be here aswell.



 

Lostplanet22 said:

1) I think that is the kind of power kings/Queens still have in some Eu countries;.I know that the king of Belgium didn't want to accept the abortion law (to have the possibility of abortion)..and stopped the law;..Only the politcians were smarter and told the world that the kingdom of Belgium would not exist for one day...And on that day the politicians voted for the law and accepted...why I mention this is because I think it makes more sense a president who is voted by the population do this than a king/Queen.. I honestly don't see a big deal in it so long this means their will be new elections;.and if the population wants the law he will not be president again..

2) The problem is that Hungary is an democracy, it means that the population voted for those people who made the media laws..Sadly their is not much they can do for now.;.but the EU is following the issue and I guess when something drastic happens the EU will condemn Hungary for it..And sanctions follow..

3) See 2  It would not be the first time Hungarians have to hear that they can't change the constitution..

4) Not banned...Just unrespectfull

1. Nothing more to add

2. Yeah, Hitler was also elected democratically. Guess Hungarians are getting what's coming to them.

3. Yes, but this time the Constitution specifically says it cannot be modified. Essentially any modification will be deemed unconstitutional.

4. I still don't see why that is...



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But who is Germany to criticise? One of the most oppressionist countries in Europe.



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Slimebeast said:

But who is Germany to criticise? One of the most oppressionist countries in Europe.

Really? Are you sure you can make such a statement?



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"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
Slimebeast said:

But who is Germany to criticise? One of the most oppressionist countries in Europe.

Really? Are you sure you can make such a statement?

There's no true freedom of speech in Germany. You can't even question the facts of a certain historical event of the WW2  or you end up in jail. You can't salute a famous German leader and his movement.

Plus they oppose their own people by approving uncontrolled mass immigration against the will of the people.

Plus they have the guts to criticise Israel. Germany of all nations!



sapphi_snake said:
Lostplanet22 said:

1) I think that is the kind of power kings/Queens still have in some Eu countries;.I know that the king of Belgium didn't want to accept the abortion law (to have the possibility of abortion)..and stopped the law;..Only the politcians were smarter and told the world that the kingdom of Belgium would not exist for one day...And on that day the politicians voted for the law and accepted...why I mention this is because I think it makes more sense a president who is voted by the population do this than a king/Queen.. I honestly don't see a big deal in it so long this means their will be new elections;.and if the population wants the law he will not be president again..

2) The problem is that Hungary is an democracy, it means that the population voted for those people who made the media laws..Sadly their is not much they can do for now.;.but the EU is following the issue and I guess when something drastic happens the EU will condemn Hungary for it..And sanctions follow..

3) See 2  It would not be the first time Hungarians have to hear that they can't change the constitution..

4) Not banned...Just unrespectfull

1. Nothing more to add

2. Yeah, Hitler was also elected democratically. Guess Hungarians are getting what's coming to them.

3. Yes, but this time the Constitution specifically says it cannot be modified. Essentially any modification will be deemed unconstitutional.

4. I still don't see why that is...

2) Then what EU should do? Except monitoring and following what is going on;..?

3) In the soviet Union the (hungarian) population also could not change the laws still they did it and created an constitution..I am pretty sure if the majority wants it they can change it...it sounds absurd 

4) Well just forget it;. 



 

Slimebeast said:
sapphi_snake said:
Slimebeast said:

But who is Germany to criticise? One of the most oppressionist countries in Europe.

Really? Are you sure you can make such a statement?

There's no true freedom of speech in Germany. You can't even question the facts of a certain historical event of the WW2  or you end up in jail. You can't salute a famous German leader and his movement.

Plus they oppose their own people by approving uncontrolled mass immigration against the will of the people.

Plus they have the guts to criticise Israel. Germany of all nations!

Germany and the Germans were basically in penance for 50 years. The current generation of German leaders and the vast majority of German people weren't even alive for the Holocaust.

They simply aren't the same country they were back then. Countries really can change that much in just a couple of generations, look at Japan for example.



Rath said:
Slimebeast said:
sapphi_snake said:
Slimebeast said:

But who is Germany to criticise? One of the most oppressionist countries in Europe.

Really? Are you sure you can make such a statement?

There's no true freedom of speech in Germany. You can't even question the facts of a certain historical event of the WW2  or you end up in jail. You can't salute a famous German leader and his movement.

Plus they oppose their own people by approving uncontrolled mass immigration against the will of the people.

Plus they have the guts to criticise Israel. Germany of all nations!

Germany and the Germans were basically in penance for 50 years. The current generation of German leaders and the vast majority of German people weren't even alive for the Holocaust.

They simply aren't the same country they were back then. Countries really can change that much in just a couple of generations, look at Japan for example.

Well Japan still has the good taste to practically shut up and entirely stay out of all touchy international conflicts.

Germany in principle has that attitude too on international affairs, it still does, it's just that their green/left/commie movement is too strong to be entirely held back from criticizing Israel.