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sapphi_snake said:
Kantor said:
sapphi_snake said:

The quote from Nineteen Eighty-Four was nice, but modern society doesn't resemble the one from that book (unless you live in North Korea). Most people just referece taht book due to it's commercial success and popularity, however it's very inaccurate. Aldous Huxley's Brave New World presents a much more accurate illistration of what Western society is becoming, especially when we're talking about "anti-intellectualism".

I think you're right there.

However bad the reality of the world gets, we still have the ability to rebel and turn against our overlords without fear of punishment.

What we lack is the desire to do any such thing. We are happy in our consumerist society. Those of us who aren't grumble a bit, get looked at funnily by other people, and then group together. It's pretty much exactly Brave New World, but without the soma (interestingly, Huxley said we would need Soma to become like the society he predicted).

Really? Don't people take all kinds of things like Valium these days?

Valium (Diazepam) has far too many side effects to be widely used. It's a prescription drug, if I'm not mistaken.



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Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
 

Economics is a different matter, and one where the answer is harder to latch onto because of too many vested interests that'll drag the whole market down if something happens that they don't like (but that in itself might not be that damaging), but that's not what i was addressing in this case.

I'm not making this up, either. Palin herself spelled out a resentment for east-coast intellectuals in no uncertain terms, and then you have these clearly ideology-driven points of conjecture on cuts, and people who think we can solve the budget problem by "cutting foreign aid" (when foreign aid is so miniscule as to be a non-starter)

Cut the EPA, because environmentalism is hooey, cut planned parenthood because all they do is abortions, cut health-care because the uninsured won't impose more of a burden on the system if they're completely uninsured, no-sir

Austerity is a fine economic idea, but no-one actually wants to do it right (which is higher taxes and less spending, each party unwilling to do both), and instead the Tea Party ideas have been hijacked by anti-intellectual and psuedo-intellectual rhetoric that's just a new coat of paint on the same Republican ideas. It's the old conservative docket, just with the cavalier attitude towards war dropped off (which i'll grant is a positive at first, but they tend to be more isolationist on that front than is wise). The numbers back this up in that the Ryan budget would get us to more or less the same place financially in 40 years as the Obama one (assuming that fiscally unreliable democracy as it always does wouldn't just chart their own paths in those 40 years), just with the burden in those 40 years being shouldered by those who can least afford to carry it, rather than those who most can

That's where you make your mistake.  Your attributing Palin and Ryan as leaders of the Tea-party... when they aren't.

A lot of Tea-party leaders are anti-palin.  She's mostly just used as an attraction to gather people to come.  Since their attempt to be bipartisan failed when no democrats crossed over due to the Democratic and Republican dual effort to paint them as racists and lunatics.

It's this way with every new political movement... or new anything really.

You need name recognition so you let in people who aren't full on when it comes to your ideas.

I mean heck, the newest Tea Party star is actually Donald Trump.

If the Tea Party somehow surives 5-10 more years, you'll see those people begin to fal; away.

Political leadership is relative. I mean Gandhi wasn't the leader of the Indian National Congress, but his ideas influenced the composition of the group. The ones out there making the noise for the group are going to attract the people, who in turn shape discourse. If Trump and all his "birther," nonsense is the frontman for the group, then they're going to attract more birthers, or people like that Southern California Republican operative who got caught circulating that picture of Obama superimposed as the child of chimps (which shares the same root as the birther paranoia, it's racism at heart)

You could be right, but i think you're seeing the Tea Party as a Libertarian vehicle, whereas i'm seeing it as a Republican capitalization on voter angst

No, I see it as a conservative vehicle.  Not a Neoconservative one.

It could have been a libretarian vehicle, but the libretarians failed to get behind it.

I still don't get why Obama doesn't just give full permission to the hospital to release the "full" record.

It'd take alot of steam out of the birther stuff.

What I like about trump is his policy suggestion that we should "Seize the Iraqi oil fields".

 

For the life of me I don't understand how he's polling 2nd.



Mr Khan said:
Kantor said:
sapphi_snake said:

The quote from Nineteen Eighty-Four was nice, but modern society doesn't resemble the one from that book (unless you live in North Korea). Most people just referece taht book due to it's commercial success and popularity, however it's very inaccurate. Aldous Huxley's Brave New World presents a much more accurate illistration of what Western society is becoming, especially when we're talking about "anti-intellectualism".

I think you're right there.

However bad the reality of the world gets, we still have the ability to rebel and turn against our overlords without fear of punishment.

What we lack is the desire to do any such thing. We are happy in our consumerist society. Those of us who aren't grumble a bit, get looked at funnily by other people, and then group together. It's pretty much exactly Brave New World, but without the soma (interestingly, Huxley said we would need Soma to become like the society he predicted).

Legalized Marijuana.

In his essay, Brave New World Revisited, Huxley actually said that marijuana wasn't good enough to be soma.



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Kantor said:
Mr Khan said:
Kantor said:
sapphi_snake said:

The quote from Nineteen Eighty-Four was nice, but modern society doesn't resemble the one from that book (unless you live in North Korea). Most people just referece taht book due to it's commercial success and popularity, however it's very inaccurate. Aldous Huxley's Brave New World presents a much more accurate illistration of what Western society is becoming, especially when we're talking about "anti-intellectualism".

I think you're right there.

However bad the reality of the world gets, we still have the ability to rebel and turn against our overlords without fear of punishment.

What we lack is the desire to do any such thing. We are happy in our consumerist society. Those of us who aren't grumble a bit, get looked at funnily by other people, and then group together. It's pretty much exactly Brave New World, but without the soma (interestingly, Huxley said we would need Soma to become like the society he predicted).

Legalized Marijuana.

Marijuana is not legal, and yet we see the Huxley effect.

It's interesting that governments don't try to legalise it. Perhaps that means that, rather than being sinister and evil, they're just incompetent, but that ruins a perfectly good conspiracy theory.

As I answered in another topic, Huxley didn't beleive that marijuana could be the real life soma.



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"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:

Political leadership is relative. I mean Gandhi wasn't the leader of the Indian National Congress, but his ideas influenced the composition of the group. The ones out there making the noise for the group are going to attract the people, who in turn shape discourse. If Trump and all his "birther," nonsense is the frontman for the group, then they're going to attract more birthers, or people like that Southern California Republican operative who got caught circulating that picture of Obama superimposed as the child of chimps (which shares the same root as the birther paranoia, it's racism at heart)

You could be right, but i think you're seeing the Tea Party as a Libertarian vehicle, whereas i'm seeing it as a Republican capitalization on voter angst

No, I see it as a conservative vehicle.  Not a Neoconservative one.

It could have been a libretarian vehicle, but the libretarians failed to get behind it.

I still don't get why Obama doesn't just give full permission to the hospital to release the "full" record.

It'd take alot of steam out of the birther stuff.

What I like about trump is his policy suggestion that we should "Seize the Iraqi oil fields".

 

For the life of me I don't understand how he's polling 2nd.

The record that's been circulated is the only record that's legal to circulate under Hawaii law. Granted the president has the power to circumvent such laws when they're inconvenient for them, but there it is. (the full record, the one that Trump makes the hilarious claim could "prove Obama's a Muslim," can only be requested by the individual as a Hawaiian resident, which Obama no longer is, and copies aren't allowed to be made)



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Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
 

Political leadership is relative. I mean Gandhi wasn't the leader of the Indian National Congress, but his ideas influenced the composition of the group. The ones out there making the noise for the group are going to attract the people, who in turn shape discourse. If Trump and all his "birther," nonsense is the frontman for the group, then they're going to attract more birthers, or people like that Southern California Republican operative who got caught circulating that picture of Obama superimposed as the child of chimps (which shares the same root as the birther paranoia, it's racism at heart)

You could be right, but i think you're seeing the Tea Party as a Libertarian vehicle, whereas i'm seeing it as a Republican capitalization on voter angst

No, I see it as a conservative vehicle.  Not a Neoconservative one.

It could have been a libretarian vehicle, but the libretarians failed to get behind it.

I still don't get why Obama doesn't just give full permission to the hospital to release the "full" record.

It'd take alot of steam out of the birther stuff.

What I like about trump is his policy suggestion that we should "Seize the Iraqi oil fields".

 

For the life of me I don't understand how he's polling 2nd.

The record that's been circulated is the only record that's legal to circulate under Hawaii law. Granted the president has the power to circumvent such laws when they're inconvenient for them, but there it is. (the full record, the one that Trump makes the hilarious claim could "prove Obama's a Muslim," can only be requested by the individual as a Hawaiian resident, which Obama no longer is, and copies aren't allowed to be made)

According to the Hosptial they could show his full birth records and full transcripts of his birth, so long as a Obama requested it so.



Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
 

Political leadership is relative. I mean Gandhi wasn't the leader of the Indian National Congress, but his ideas influenced the composition of the group. The ones out there making the noise for the group are going to attract the people, who in turn shape discourse. If Trump and all his "birther," nonsense is the frontman for the group, then they're going to attract more birthers, or people like that Southern California Republican operative who got caught circulating that picture of Obama superimposed as the child of chimps (which shares the same root as the birther paranoia, it's racism at heart)

You could be right, but i think you're seeing the Tea Party as a Libertarian vehicle, whereas i'm seeing it as a Republican capitalization on voter angst

No, I see it as a conservative vehicle.  Not a Neoconservative one.

It could have been a libretarian vehicle, but the libretarians failed to get behind it.

I still don't get why Obama doesn't just give full permission to the hospital to release the "full" record.

It'd take alot of steam out of the birther stuff.

What I like about trump is his policy suggestion that we should "Seize the Iraqi oil fields".

 

For the life of me I don't understand how he's polling 2nd.

The record that's been circulated is the only record that's legal to circulate under Hawaii law. Granted the president has the power to circumvent such laws when they're inconvenient for them, but there it is. (the full record, the one that Trump makes the hilarious claim could "prove Obama's a Muslim," can only be requested by the individual as a Hawaiian resident, which Obama no longer is, and copies aren't allowed to be made)

I really don't see what difference it makes if he is Muslim, Jewish, Atheist, Buddist, Christian, or anything else. It shouldn't matter, and to those that it does are obviously racist.



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ssj12 said:

I really don't see what difference it makes if he is Muslim, Jewish, Atheist, Buddist, Christian, or anything else. It shouldn't matter, and to those that it does are obviously racist.

It occurs to me that none of those is a race (except Jews, arguably).



badgenome said:
ssj12 said:

I really don't see what difference it makes if he is Muslim, Jewish, Atheist, Buddist, Christian, or anything else. It shouldn't matter, and to those that it does are obviously racist.

It occurs to me that none of those is a race (except Jews, arguably).


well I couldnt think of anything better to call them other than rasist and haters, and haters sound lame.



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ssj12 said:
badgenome said:
ssj12 said:

I really don't see what difference it makes if he is Muslim, Jewish, Atheist, Buddist, Christian, or anything else. It shouldn't matter, and to those that it does are obviously racist.

It occurs to me that none of those is a race (except Jews, arguably).


well I couldnt think of anything better to call them other than rasist and haters, and haters sound lame.

"Bigots" would do.