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dsage01 said:
Michael-5 said:

Killzone 3 is selling well for a PS3 exclusive. If you're asking why Killzone 3 sales aren't as strong as Halo, Call of Duty, or Gears of War it's because it doesn't have as strong of a multiplayer component. Multiplayer is fun, but there is nothing really bringing you back into the game. Resident Evil 5 sold well despite having poor multiplayer because of the strong label Resident Evil 4 laid. Also Killzone doesn't have as epic of a story arc as other Sci-Fi shooters like Halo, Gears of War, or Resident Evil. The events in Killzone 3 are much more loosly tied to the events in other Killzones compared to the other mentioned sci fi shooters. So..

1. Not as addicitve multiplayer as compeditors

2. Not the king of multiplayer games, so it's forgotten quickly since everyone else is playing Call of Duty.

3. Not so massive story arc.

4. Not being the star exclusive on the year of release.

Just to let you know Killzone has great multiplayer. Many people are on (possibly more than Reach as of today) And Gears 2 multiplayer was pretty bad it had many bugs and people complaining. For the Cod and Halo part I agree with you but come on we both know it deserves much more sales than the 1.4 million right now.

Killzone Multiplayer is unbalanced. It's not as polished, and the level of skill varies significantly. Halo separates new players from vetarans based on rank, and unlocks custom armor based on credits earned, and has daily chalenges. Call of Duty unlocks perks, weapons, and weapon mods based on $$$ which is then based off kills. Halo and CoD are polished online games, very compeditive, and I severly doubt that Killzone has anywhere nearly as many online users as either.

Gears 2 is over 2 years old, and online is only modestly lively. It also had an experience system, and for the year it came out it was up there in terms of online users. Also the Gears franchise has one of the highest completion rate among gamers, so you know people love that game for the story. Gears online is nowhere nearly as big as Halo or CoD, but I believe the userbase is significantly above Killzone. Also Gears 2 made wave based multiplayer significantly more popular. It introduced a lot of aspects of multiplayer gaming which people take for granted now. So for this title, I say half story, half multiplayer make it sell well. Also being the star exclusive the year it's launched helps too, so I added that as reason 4.

Overall I do agree with you, it deserves much more then 1.4, and likely overall 3 million sales. It's just because of the reasons I mentioned, it's out of the main spotlight.

I mean FFXIII sold close to 7 million units, over 4 million of which are due to PS3 sales, and then the next biggest JRPG's are 1 million sellers. Final Fantasy isn't even the best JRPG.

It's all a matter of hype, and in general the public is pretty casual. This is why really awesome games such as Killzone, Mass Effect, and dead Space just don't sell. Casual gamers tend to stick to one franchise, that is why multiplayer and a strong overall story arch are important. Multipleyer to keep them entertained between installments, and a strong story arch to keep people hyped for the next game. The story is obviously not important in CoD.



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Michael-5 said:
dsage01 said:
Michael-5 said:

Killzone 3 is selling well for a PS3 exclusive. If you're asking why Killzone 3 sales aren't as strong as Halo, Call of Duty, or Gears of War it's because it doesn't have as strong of a multiplayer component. Multiplayer is fun, but there is nothing really bringing you back into the game. Resident Evil 5 sold well despite having poor multiplayer because of the strong label Resident Evil 4 laid. Also Killzone doesn't have as epic of a story arc as other Sci-Fi shooters like Halo, Gears of War, or Resident Evil. The events in Killzone 3 are much more loosly tied to the events in other Killzones compared to the other mentioned sci fi shooters. So..

1. Not as addicitve multiplayer as compeditors

2. Not the king of multiplayer games, so it's forgotten quickly since everyone else is playing Call of Duty.

3. Not so massive story arc.

4. Not being the star exclusive on the year of release.

Just to let you know Killzone has great multiplayer. Many people are on (possibly more than Reach as of today) And Gears 2 multiplayer was pretty bad it had many bugs and people complaining. For the Cod and Halo part I agree with you but come on we both know it deserves much more sales than the 1.4 million right now.

Killzone Multiplayer is unbalanced. It's not as polished, and the level of skill varies significantly. Halo separates new players from vetarans based on rank, and unlocks custom armor based on credits earned, and has daily chalenges. Call of Duty unlocks perks, weapons, and weapon mods based on $$$ which is then based off kills. Halo and CoD are polished online games, very compeditive, and I severly doubt that Killzone has anywhere nearly as many online users as either.

wait what? I'm confused here a bit so help me out. You list that halo and cod have things they can unlock as they progress etc.....kinda makes it sound as if KZ does not have such things or something....have you played KZ3 mp?



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leatherhat said:

Depending on the region its either doing better than KZ2 (America) or worse- but with better legs (EMEAA). So the main point- KZ3 is doing worse than KZ2- isn't even really true to begin with.

No, in the same time frame it has performed worse. I blame both competition and lack of interest.

Its the kind of game people are okay with holding off on.



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Wasn't a great fan of killzone 2 so not greatly interested in this game, not even for its graphics.

Also, not interested in the 8hr campaign multiplayer approach considering i'm not a fan of playing multiplayer on the ps3.

However, I don't think the sales are bad although they could be better, and I blame killzone 2 for scaring away fans with its cumbersome controls. 



What? KZ3 is having better legs than 2 ever did......

And just because this game don't sell 10m or something like Gran turismo/COD games doesn't mean its "not selling well"

Tell me HOW MANY 360 exclusive even manage to sell 10m besides halos?  NADA! exactly so does that mean the rest of the 360 exclusive sold like crap?



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pitzy272 said:
osamanobama said:

because stupid ps3 fans dont support their great exclusives.

if these games were on xbox they would sell like this:

Killzone 3: 6 million LTD

Uncharted 2: 7 million LTD

GOW3: 5.5 million

i dont get it these are the sales they deserve but they dont get them


I used to feel the same way, and used to get really irritated at ps3 owners; but now I think it's mainly bc of the difference between ps3's install base in the U.S./Americas compared to 360. Don't U.S./Americas gamers tend to buy more games than those in other regions?

Check Gran Turismo 5 and FIFA.



XxXProphecyXxX said:

What? KZ3 is having better legs than 2 ever did......

And just because this game don't sell 10m or something like Gran turismo/COD games doesn't mean its "not selling well"

Tell me HOW MANY 360 exclusive even manage to sell 10m besides halos?  NADA! exactly so does that mean the rest of the 360 exclusive sold like crap?


Stop grasping at straws. Nobody expected this game to hit 10 million and to act like this game will even get near that amount is being disingenuous.

EDIT: Not to mention that nobody in this thread actually thinks what you claim them to. Stop exaggerating.



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themanwithnoname said:
XxXProphecyXxX said:

What? KZ3 is having better legs than 2 ever did......

And just because this game don't sell 10m or something like Gran turismo/COD games doesn't mean its "not selling well"

Tell me HOW MANY 360 exclusive even manage to sell 10m besides halos?  NADA! exactly so does that mean the rest of the 360 exclusive sold like crap?


Stop grasping at straws. Nobody expected this game to hit 10 million and to act like this game will even get near that amount is being disingenuous.


grasping at staws? Im just saying just cause a game doesn't sell like another much bigger selling game doesn't mean it sold crap.

EDIT* reading your post even more it makes no fucking sense, where did I say or act this game was to sell 10M? I just used COD AND GT an example so please GTFO.



Fufinu said:
pitzy272 said:
osamanobama said:

because stupid ps3 fans dont support their great exclusives.

if these games were on xbox they would sell like this:

Killzone 3: 6 million LTD

Uncharted 2: 7 million LTD

GOW3: 5.5 million

i dont get it these are the sales they deserve but they dont get them


I used to feel the same way, and used to get really irritated at ps3 owners; but now I think it's mainly bc of the difference between ps3's install base in the U.S./Americas compared to 360. Don't U.S./Americas gamers tend to buy more games than those in other regions?

Check Gran Turismo 5 and FIFA.


Yeah I def know GT5 and Fifa are more strongly supported by EMEAA. What I meant was in terms of the average number of games bought by gamers in each region. For example, if a survey was done, I feel gamers in the Americas (mainly U.S.) would be found to own more games on average than gamers in EMEAA.



XxXProphecyXxX said:
themanwithnoname said:
XxXProphecyXxX said:

What? KZ3 is having better legs than 2 ever did......

And just because this game don't sell 10m or something like Gran turismo/COD games doesn't mean its "not selling well"

Tell me HOW MANY 360 exclusive even manage to sell 10m besides halos?  NADA! exactly so does that mean the rest of the 360 exclusive sold like crap?


Stop grasping at straws. Nobody expected this game to hit 10 million and to act like this game will even get near that amount is being disingenuous.


grasping at staws? Im just saying just cause a game doesn't sell like another much bigger selling game doesn't mean it sold crap.


Yes, but nobody here actually thinks that it needs to sell like Halo or CoD to say it's selling well. If you can find someone here that thinks that, I'll concede the point.



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