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Michael-5 said:

Killzone 3 is selling well for a PS3 exclusive. If you're asking why Killzone 3 sales aren't as strong as Halo, Call of Duty, or Gears of War it's because it doesn't have as strong of a multiplayer component. Multiplayer is fun, but there is nothing really bringing you back into the game. Resident Evil 5 sold well despite having poor multiplayer because of the strong label Resident Evil 4 laid. Also Killzone doesn't have as epic of a story arc as other Sci-Fi shooters like Halo, Gears of War, or Resident Evil. The events in Killzone 3 are much more loosly tied to the events in other Killzones compared to the other mentioned sci fi shooters. So..

1. Not as addicitve multiplayer as compeditors

2. Not the king of multiplayer games, so it's forgotten quickly since everyone else is playing Call of Duty.

3. Not so massive story arc.

I would disagree with that. Multiplayer is very good in KZ3. The reason it doesn't sell as well as Halo or Gears is because it the hype machine isn't their for it. Xbox owners are quick to pick up any crap game which is why most games sell more on the 360 vs. the PS3. PS3 fans are generally more select in their purchases. For me, I don't like any of the Halo games, none of the Gears games and none of the Call of Duty games.Resident Evil was also a horrible game. To me the controls were crap and the overall gameplay wasn't fun. Same goes for Socom series on PS3 Unreal Tournament etc. Really the only good FPS on the PS3 are KZ and Resistance. Warhawk and Uncharted take the crown for 3rd person. I still play KZ2, Warhawk, KZ3 and Uncharted 2 online. 



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CGI-Quality said:
themanwithnoname said:
CGI-Quality said:
themanwithnoname said:
CGI-Quality said:

You said NOBODY. Just understand the error and move on, it's not a big deal bud. It only takes one remark to spark a huge discussion. You've been on the forums long enough to know that.


I tip my hat to you CGI! You are CORRECT! I salute you in your rightness! Happy now?

Your continuous hostility to a small error only shows that you have a hard time with discussions that don't go your way.

Do me a favor and leave me the hell alone. If I want your psychoanalysis, I'll ask for it. Now kindly leave me the hell alone.

EDIT: And what does your pretentious psychoanalysis say about you btw?

To your edit (since it basically contradicts the first part of the post), I don't think I have all the answers nor is it about a psychoanalysis of you. I simply saw your error and discussed it with you reasonably (just advising not to judge the situation without all the pieces).

Frankly, I didn't think it would bug you to this degree.


I deleted my post, but since you're going on, there's a difference between having a discussion and rubbing someone's nose in it. I don't know what to say to you if you think a post like "Your continuous hostility to a small error only shows that you have a hard time with discussions that don't go your way." either will provoke a positive response or not make you sound like you have an incredibly holier than thou attitude.



themanwithnoname's law: As an America's sales or NPD thread grows longer, the probabilty of the comment "America = World" [sarcasticly] being made approaches 1.

Well since according to the OP it should atleast sell on God of war level(3m) then I think with its current legs plus holiday boost it shouldn't be much of a problem reaching that.



CGI-Quality said:
themanwithnoname said:
CGI-Quality said:

To your edit (since it basically contradicts the first part of the post), I don't think I have all the answers nor is it about a psychoanalysis of you. I simply saw your error and discussed it with you reasonably (just advising not to judge the situation without all the pieces).

Frankly, I didn't think it would bug you to this degree.


I deleted my post, but since you're going on, there's a difference between having a discussion and rubbing someone's nose in it. I don't know what to say to you if you think a post like "Your continuous hostility to a small error only shows that you have a hard time with discussions that don't go your way." either will provoke a positive response or make you sound like you have an incredibly holier than thou attitude.

Since my first response to you, you've been aggressive. It's really not that big of a deal and I will grant your original request of leaving you be. I was just confused by your aggression, because what you were defending began with the 3rd post in the thread and multiplied from there.

My aggression comes from the fact that there's no middleground in this argument. Apparently you either think Killzone 3 sold great or you think it sold disappointingly because it didn't sell like Halo. This thread doesn't reflect that someone might think it's disappointing, but doesn't think it should sell like Halo. Instead we have the same "why Killzone doesn't sell like Halo" conversation that we've had a gizillion times before.



themanwithnoname's law: As an America's sales or NPD thread grows longer, the probabilty of the comment "America = World" [sarcasticly] being made approaches 1.

Why would one expect huge sales out of the Killzone franchise?  Killzone had to overcome a bunch of negative stigma it has prior to Killzone 2, and also the entire E3 trailer fiasco.  It turned out real good, however, which offset a bunch of things.  But, also needed to factor in that the FPS genre is saturated at this point.  What one hopes for is that a FPS franchise gets a sufficiently large following that it can continue to produce sequels, and make the company who owns the IP a profit.  But in a saturated market that is established, you won't get much movement away from the established brands, unless someone drops the ball.



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Michael-5 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Michael-5 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Michael-5 said:
dsage01 said:
Michael-5 said:

Killzone 3 is selling well for a PS3 exclusive. If you're asking why Killzone 3 sales aren't as strong as Halo, Call of Duty, or Gears of War it's because it doesn't have as strong of a multiplayer component. Multiplayer is fun, but there is nothing really bringing you back into the game. Resident Evil 5 sold well despite having poor multiplayer because of the strong label Resident Evil 4 laid. Also Killzone doesn't have as epic of a story arc as other Sci-Fi shooters like Halo, Gears of War, or Resident Evil. The events in Killzone 3 are much more loosly tied to the events in other Killzones compared to the other mentioned sci fi shooters. So..

1. Not as addicitve multiplayer as compeditors

2. Not the king of multiplayer games, so it's forgotten quickly since everyone else is playing Call of Duty.

3. Not so massive story arc.

4. Not being the star exclusive on the year of release.

Just to let you know Killzone has great multiplayer. Many people are on (possibly more than Reach as of today) And Gears 2 multiplayer was pretty bad it had many bugs and people complaining. For the Cod and Halo part I agree with you but come on we both know it deserves much more sales than the 1.4 million right now.

Killzone Multiplayer is unbalanced. It's not as polished, and the level of skill varies significantly. Halo separates new players from vetarans based on rank, and unlocks custom armor based on credits earned, and has daily chalenges. Call of Duty unlocks perks, weapons, and weapon mods based on $$$ which is then based off kills. Halo and CoD are polished online games, very compeditive, and I severly doubt that Killzone has anywhere nearly as many online users as either.

wait what? I'm confused here a bit so help me out. You list that halo and cod have things they can unlock as they progress etc.....kinda makes it sound as if KZ does not have such things or something....have you played KZ3 mp?

No my PS3 broke, going to play KZ3 co-op with my friend in the summer. I'm basing a lot of my arguement off KZ2, which I did not feel was up to the level of quality Halo 3, Gears 2 or Modern Warfare 1 were at.

yeah I figured as much since what you said just made no sense...KZ3 mp has all of them too...and it's a LOT of fun :D I suck at FPS MP comparatively but I can't seem to stop playing this one

Yea, I was the same with Lost Planet 1. That game really got me into online multiplayer and made me a better shooter player overall. KZ3 has rank bonuses, but just from hype Halo and CoD are bigger online. By no means is quality better, I love KZ, just I think CoD and Halo are a bit simpler.


kz3 has more than just rank bonuses, in game ribbons, exoskelotons, jetpacks, missions etc etc....I'm not gonna get into this sale argument tbh...if it sells well not halo well but well, then I have no complaints whatsoever...there are plenty of ppl to play with online all the time so my experience has been nothing but awesome. I just wanted to point out what you said absolutely made no sense and to be frank..a lie. Let's just leave it at that..



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dsage01 said:
ImJustBayuum said:
Reasonable said:

Seems to be selling okay for a Killzone game to me.  How else should it be selling?


Like a Halo game.


Exactly my point!

Halo isn't even Halo any longer.  The market is full of FPS at this point, that you end up with Call of Duty stealing the thunder.  Halo is a flagship and iconic franchise the way Gran Turismo is.  But hard to suddenly thing a title late in the games as Killzone is, would suddently do Halo numbers.



osamanobama said:

because stupid ps3 fans dont support their great exclusives.

if these games were on xbox they would sell like this:

Killzone 3: 6 million LTD

Uncharted 2: 7 million LTD

GOW3: 5.5 million

i dont get it these are the sales they deserve but they dont get them


You are so right about that



Superman4 said:
Michael-5 said:

Killzone 3 is selling well for a PS3 exclusive. If you're asking why Killzone 3 sales aren't as strong as Halo, Call of Duty, or Gears of War it's because it doesn't have as strong of a multiplayer component. Multiplayer is fun, but there is nothing really bringing you back into the game. Resident Evil 5 sold well despite having poor multiplayer because of the strong label Resident Evil 4 laid. Also Killzone doesn't have as epic of a story arc as other Sci-Fi shooters like Halo, Gears of War, or Resident Evil. The events in Killzone 3 are much more loosly tied to the events in other Killzones compared to the other mentioned sci fi shooters. So..

1. Not as addicitve multiplayer as compeditors

2. Not the king of multiplayer games, so it's forgotten quickly since everyone else is playing Call of Duty.

3. Not so massive story arc.

I would disagree with that. Multiplayer is very good in KZ3. The reason it doesn't sell as well as Halo or Gears is because it the hype machine isn't their for it. Xbox owners are quick to pick up any crap game which is why most games sell more on the 360 vs. the PS3. PS3 fans are generally more select in their purchases. For me, I don't like any of the Halo games, none of the Gears games and none of the Call of Duty games.Resident Evil was also a horrible game. To me the controls were crap and the overall gameplay wasn't fun. Same goes for Socom series on PS3 Unreal Tournament etc. Really the only good FPS on the PS3 are KZ and Resistance. Warhawk and Uncharted take the crown for 3rd person. I still play KZ2, Warhawk, KZ3 and Uncharted 2 online. 

From my experience with Killzone 2, Resistance, and Lost Planet multiplayer is that these games appeal to a smaller audience, and gameplay isn't as balanced, or applicable as Call of Duty or Halo. I mean in Lost Planet for example, get in a VS and you're on a kill streak, and the concept of using a grapple to climb is unusual.

When I say less addictive multiplayer, I'm probably using a poor choice of vocabulary. With my first point, I mean to say that the multiplayer keeps less people in. With the second point, I mean to say it draws less people in.

I don't think the second point is debatable. For the exact same reasons battlefield see's 1/4th as many sales as a CoD title. It's not THE multiplayer game to play, so it's brushed aside by most because a lot of gamers dedicate themselves to one game franchise

That bold comment I think is extremely biased. FPS sell better on 360 for the simple reason that there are 5:3 360's to PS3's in Americas, and Americas is about (2/3) to (4/5) the FPS market (depending the the game). Look at Call of Duty and Halo, and you will see most sales are in Americas despite PS3 having roughly the same sized market in EMEAA. The only time a 360 FPS sells more then 40% a PS3 FPS is when the 360 version is advertized more, as in the case of Homefront.

As for preferences, everyone has their own. I'm a big Lost Planet 1 fan(Not 2, 2 way terrible), but it never sold that well, even as an exclusive (timed, but who knew when it came out?). Halo, CoD, and Gears sell well because A. They are actually great polished games which get very high reviews, B. They appeal to the masses, similar to Mario Kart.

Killzone desrves more sales, but with 3 exclusive shooters to balance on the PS3, all relatively new franchises, and a much smaller instal base in the Americas region, I can see why sales are slow.

BTW for me, I tend to play almost every online game I can get my hands on, even if the experience is only par. I mostly play online, and I burn through all the online achievements/trophies relatively quickly. Only time I stop playing online for a game is when matchmaking takes a long time, and has unbalanced matched. That's why I stopped playing Front Mission online. When I get Crysis 2, I'll play it online, even though the MP demo kind of sucked. I'm currently only playing Halo and CoD online, but craving a new experience.

P.S. I find it funny to always see CGI in an arguement..



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M.U.G.E.N said:
Michael-5 said:

Yea, I was the same with Lost Planet 1. That game really got me into online multiplayer and made me a better shooter player overall. KZ3 has rank bonuses, but just from hype Halo and CoD are bigger online. By no means is quality better, I love KZ, just I think CoD and Halo are a bit simpler.


kz3 has more than just rank bonuses, in game ribbons, exoskelotons, jetpacks, missions etc etc....I'm not gonna get into this sale argument tbh...if it sells well not halo well but well, then I have no complaints whatsoever...there are plenty of ppl to play with online all the time so my experience has been nothing but awesome. I just wanted to point out what you said absolutely made no sense and to be frank..a lie. Let's just leave it at that..

Well lets just say it's not hyped as much for casual gamers as Halo or CoD. I think not being the star title in a fall lineup makes a big difference to overall sales.



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