Oh my goodness. This is crazy.

Everyone needs to get a grip.

This thread is about Move. 

We know as a FACT that Sony gives it's shipped numbers on Move as any Move product. Not just 1 actual user Move sale. The very very very high chance that less than 3-4 million individual users have Move is the absolute best estimate anyone can make. It's educated and very highly probable. 

As for the whole lets attack M$ actual 360 sales because Move sales are bad is pathetic.

Ok so of course there is some people who would have bought a new 360 again. However since the 2nd week of the 360 being out M$ have been repairing free. Then after the first 6 month period they did 3 year warranty. I think many people are trying to make out this is Millions of people who didnt get theres replaced free. It's more realistically around 400,000. I'm sure everyone else had a brain.

Also dont forget Sony had PS3 Slim out early. The sales rose with PS3Slim. Many original PS3 users rebought there system as a Slim. The poor sales of GT5 compared to previous GT games says alot. In fact software sales of PS3 games are not as high as 360 games nor are the games which should be actually that much higher at all. What about PS3 being the cheapest BluRay Player for over a year? Lots of people bought one and do not use it for games.

People need to get a perspective on all this. This gen is far from straight forward numbers wise.

LOL @ ppl arguing using a bunch of guestimates they pulled of no where with no solid proof.

All I can say is the PSmove will flop and PS3 hate squad can go suck the big one, PS3 has been doing phenomenal and has been giving its fans a lot of high quality exclusives and yet haters still keep their bullshit "overship" or "shipped numbers is unreliable and the real ammount sold is X cause thats my guess".

Do we? Is it? I think you need a dictionary Under FACT.

You really need to learn when a sentence ends. His first sentence and his second sentence are not using the same bases(the part you bolded). His first sentence is actual factual basis on the metric sony has provided in the past. His second statement is based on a logical guess, which may or may not be true. 

Any move product? That would mean Eyes, navs, and wands... that has been a debate and as i am aware has never been confirmed.  And there is no logic in that guess. just assumptions he knows what sony reports.

my questions stand

Any move product typically means the move product also known as the Wand. 

I'm confused, didn't Sony specifically say in their last press release that the numbers only included the wand? They did not include the eye or nav. I may be wrong, but I remember it based on an argument some people were having back then. It's the 4 million sold press release by the way, may have been at the beginning of the year.

OP: Good job I guess, but we all knew that as soon as the Slim released, it was going to reach 50 million anyway. The 8 million Move thing is cool, because it's profitable for them at least, otherwise it's a piece of motion controller nonsense and I haven't seen a single game worth playing with it.

Hmmm I don't want to burst your bubble, but I don't think so...

By the way, who would have thought a couple years ago that Sony fans would cheer over a 50 million milestone? Times have changed...

OT: I think they meant sold to retailers which means shipped.

This is what I call a hit and run post. You made everything up, there's not one fact, one good guess in that post.

Your points : Move is flop

answer: 8 million sold in six months

your point:MS offered 3year warrenty after 6 months.

answer: MS  denied RROD for almost a year. there tons of these systems on ebay, even those repaired, because they kept getting rrod, had to be changed to new ones. It was the outcry of so many people's console being rrod on a daily basis that forced MS to take action, by then millions had been affected. I would say at least 40 % if not more of the new Slim going to existing owners,

Your point: GT5 not selling as well as previous GT games. This one is funny because it's ahead of GT4 right now, lol.

MS sells more software than Sony:

MS does not release their software totals, the only numbers we know for sure is ms beat them in the US, and is about 100m ahead by VGchartz numbers which is basicly amount to that year head start the 36 had.

I'll be waiting for your answer.