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^^^ i think your being too pessimistic. it hasnt come down to that yet. If that were true then we'd only have Wii's and simpler smart phone games to play. as long as their is a market for deeper games we will always get them.  I would like to know how consoles are simplyfing games??? because IMHO the libray for PCs and consoles are not that different. RTSs and MMOs are the only genres i see that thrive on PC but not on consoles. I guess those two could count as "deep" games, but they never thrived on consoles to begin with



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Mr Puggsly said:
Scoobes said:
Mr Puggsly said:
vlad321 said:


"Other industries, such as gaming software, have fared well too. Entertainment software sales have gone through the roof in recent years and surpassed that of movie ticket sales and CD sales, the report explains. The researchers further note that games such as World of Warcraft are immune to piracy because of their business model, and that game consumers are often very loyal to game developers, and on average more hesitant to pirate."

I am fairly sure that "owned" applies best here. Also, piracy affects all mediums the same way.

Once again, it just babbles on about what isn't suffering from piracy and industries helped by piracy. But no mention of the publishers and developers that actually produce the software and how they are affected.

Late ports, less support from major developers, and frequent digital download sales is all a reflection of how piracy is hurting PC game sales.

Aren't publishers and developers a part of the industry? If the industry is helped by piracy than surely it's overall a good thing for the publishers and developers.

Also, the support hasn't decreased from developers or publishers. Games are still being released on PC, it's just a lot of once PC "exclusive" studios are also releasing on consoles and I'm not sure why you think frequent digital download sales are a bad thing. If anything, a digital download is more profitable for publishers as they control the pricing and get larger profit margins as they cut out the retailer. It's also helped smaller/medium sized studios find significant niche markets in which they can thrive.

No, the articles he posted talk about how other industries are being helped. For example producers of blank CDs. I'm sure piracy also helps sales of video cards and other PC gaming hardware. The articles are reaching for any good of piracy and completely ignore the direct harm its caused for publishers and developers.

There is still support for the PC but its its pretty evident consoles are the priority more then ever for high end titles.

Digital download sales of PC games aren't a bad thing per se. But they happen because piracy is such a big issue. They are done to deter piracy and get whatever money they can.

For some reason you're defending digital download services but I'm not attacking them.

The way you worded it sounded like you saw them as a negative as you mixed it in with late ports and poor support. Thanks for clarifying.

As for the support I think a lot of developers are expanding due to high development costs and yes, focusing on consoles more which is actually what has lead to this article; the expansion to consoles has compromised elements of the PC versions (and in some cases all versions). However, this gen has also seen a huge rise in small-medium sized indie developers to thrive on the PC and hopefully some of these will become the big developers of the future (expanding to consoles in the same way Bioware and Crytek have done).



brendude13 said:

Gaming has always dominated on consoles, it isn't like they just barged in and "ruined teh grafix!".

Nobody had a computer in the NES / SNES era, the PS1 and PS2 sold into the hundreds of millions and it seems like the PS3, Wii and XBOX 360 are doing just aswell.

The matter of the fact is, without consoles, PC gaming wouldn't exist or be as big as it is now. Your "12 points" were pretty poor IMO.

This is a joke post right?



Scoobes said:
brendude13 said:

Gaming has always dominated on consoles, it isn't like they just barged in and "ruined teh grafix!".

Nobody had a computer in the NES / SNES era, the PS1 and PS2 sold into the hundreds of millions and it seems like the PS3, Wii and XBOX 360 are doing just aswell.

The matter of the fact is, without consoles, PC gaming wouldn't exist or be as big as it is now. Your "12 points" were pretty poor IMO.

This is a joke post right?


Impossible to tell. Poe's law on PC haters.



oniyide said:

@vlad  thats where your wrong and that whole elitism comes to play. you dont know me you dont know what i like. I have and play and enjoy angry birds. I dont see it as dumbed down, i see it as a simple game that doesnt cost as much. I like all games(except MMOs) your acting like because angry birds sold that all of a sudden they'll just up and stop making games you want to play, its never been true before and i doubt it will change in the future


I think you just didn't understand what I am saying. I like Angry Birds too. That's fine. What's not fine is if games stopped being made, and only games like Angry Birds came out.

As for elitism, that's true. However any media which is produced to cater to the least common denominator is by definition bad (this goes for books, music, movies, etc.). That is the opposite of elitism, and where the industry is headed.  Some elitism isn't in the least bit bad, otherwise we'd be swamped with material catering to the idiots of society, even moreso than we already are.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

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^^^ maybe im blind but i see absolutely no evidence at all to suggest that the games you and i like to play are going to stop being made in lieu of stuff like Angry Birds.  As for elitism, you might be right, but who decides what is the lowest common denominator or not??? You??? me?? some college grad??? Im not trying to be a wise ass, but who decides? If you look at stuff like angry birds, twilight, and Transformers as on the low end i would agree with you. But heres the thing, IMHO the people who like that crap and dont want to try to go further, far outweigh people who do. You dont know how many times ive asked different people why they play those games and not something like, i dont know, SF. the common answer is. its too complicated. plus people are cheap 



oniyide said:

^^^ maybe im blind but i see absolutely no evidence at all to suggest that the games you and i like to play are going to stop being made in lieu of stuff like Angry Birds.  As for elitism, you might be right, but who decides what is the lowest common denominator or not??? You??? me?? some college grad??? Im not trying to be a wise ass, but who decides? If you look at stuff like angry birds, twilight, and Transformers as on the low end i would agree with you. But heres the thing, IMHO the people who like that crap and dont want to try to go further, far outweigh people who do. You dont know how many times ive asked different people why they play those games and not something like, i dont know, SF. the common answer is. its too complicated. plus people are cheap 


There isn't just a cutoff but you stated point right there at the end. Lowest common denominator spawns simple entertainment. It's called the least common denominator because it appeals to the broadest amount of people which includes the huge percentage which are just plain idiots. It's perfect from a business perspective, and terrible from a cultural perspective.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

^^^we can agree on that, but whatcha gonna do??



oniyide said:

^^^we can agree on that, but whatcha gonna do??


bitch, moan and buy as much high end content as you can afford. There sure is hell isn't anything else to do...



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Is there a necessitiy to so much hostility towards consoles? Console gamers get pissed too when something is watered down. I hated it when I played DA 2 Demo/SC Conviction. I didn't go around blaming consoles/PC/bioware/casuals/COD for that.

Things happen. There are a few developers that don't cater to the CoD crowd, and some will learn later on.