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Vizion said:

Wouldn't it be nice to see high quality games like Bioshock, Grand Theft Auto 4 and Call of Duty 4 on the Wii?


yeah, but since the graphics,ai,and controls would have to be altered.....maybe they wouldnt be as high quality?



 

 

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no they don't.....the reason is very simple:

most 3rd party games suck, so nintendo games beat them all, so they don't get money!!

the major reason is that 3rd party developers don't know yet how to get use of wii-remote in their games, and that's why they suck.....

i'm pretty sure this will change positively when wii sales rise high (even higher than now)



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krik said:
Yojimbo said:
leo-j said:
They will never take the wii seriously, look at the 3rd party attach rate on the wii compared to the ps3.
PS3 does not have good attach rate.

 


 Says who? If we get the last 2 big third party games AC and Cod4 we see that AC sold:

 360 = 1,940K and the PS3 = 1,130K

http://vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=All&game1=Assassins+Creed+-+X360®2=All&game2=Assassins+Creed+-+PS3®3=All&game3=&weeks=100

 and CoD4 sold:

360 = 2,251K and the PS3 = 1,010K

http://vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=All&game1=Call+of+Duty+4%3A+Modern+Warfare+-+X360®2=All&game2=Call+of+Duty+4%3A+Modern+Warfare+-+PS3®3=All&game3=&weeks=100 

 Now, if we look at the last big first party titles (Mass Effect and Uncharted), we get:

ME = 810K

Uncharted = 409K 

http://vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=All&game1=Mass+Effect+-+X360®2=All&game2=Uncharted%3A+Drakes+Fortune+-+PS3®3=All&game3=&weeks=100 

 Since 360 has about 2x the user base of the PS3 this numbers show about the same attach rate. So I'm not sure where you getting your numbers from, but it surely can't be from VGC.

 

you know that are the only games 3rd party that really sold well on the ps3

 



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the wii's 3rd party support is already gr8 for a console's first year! the wii has 4 million selling 3rd party games in year 1. this number will only increase. the ps3 only has 2 million selling 3rd party games in year one (though this number will improve also.) i also had doubts about the wii cause i thought it would be like the game system that everyone called the "fisher price toy" (the gamecube) the wii is also one of the only game systems that i've seen with high software and hardware numbers at the same time!! 3rd party's will have a fun gen with the wii!! (look at all the hot new wii titles announced for 08 and 09!!)



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krik said:
Yojimbo said:
leo-j said:
They will never take the wii seriously, look at the 3rd party attach rate on the wii compared to the ps3.
PS3 does not have good attach rate.

 


 Says who? If we get the last 2 big third party games AC and Cod4 we see that AC sold:

 360 = 1,940K and the PS3 = 1,130K

http://vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=All&game1=Assassins+Creed+-+X360®2=All&game2=Assassins+Creed+-+PS3®3=All&game3=&weeks=100

 and CoD4 sold:

360 = 2,251K and the PS3 = 1,010K

http://vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=All&game1=Call+of+Duty+4%3A+Modern+Warfare+-+X360®2=All&game2=Call+of+Duty+4%3A+Modern+Warfare+-+PS3®3=All&game3=&weeks=100 

 Now, if we look at the last big first party titles (Mass Effect and Uncharted), we get:

ME = 810K

Uncharted = 409K 

http://vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=All&game1=Mass+Effect+-+X360®2=All&game2=Uncharted%3A+Drakes+Fortune+-+PS3®3=All&game3=&weeks=100 

 Since 360 has about 2x the user base of the PS3 this numbers show about the same attach rate. So I'm not sure where you getting your numbers from, but it surely can't be from VGC.

 


Let's look at the top 5 third party publishers performance on the PS3:

EA

NameYearly    
Madden NFL 08
559,631    
Fight Night Round 3
265,533    
Need for Speed: Carbon
264,786    
NCAA Football 08
256,859    
Madden NFL 07
214,642    
Need for Speed: ProStreet
190,703    
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07
158,737    
NBA Live 08
123,008    
The Godfather: Dons Edition
118,068    
Skate
111,376    
FIFA 08
107,998    
Def Jam Icon
104,610    
NASCAR 08
87,000    
NBA Street Homecourt
83,091    
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 08
66,881    
The Simpsons Game
66,635    
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
55,368    
NHL 08
54,307    
Medal of Honor: Airborne
44,250    
Half-Life 2: The Orange Box
36,490    
NCAA March Madness 08
5,384    

Activision

NameYearly     
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
581,448     
Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock
327,542     
Spiderman: The Movie 3
212,705     
Call of Duty 3
187,641     
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
105,268     
Transformers The Game
100,118     
Tony Hawk Project 8
68,138     
Tony Hawk Proving Ground
66,729     
World Series of Poker 2008: Battle for the Bracelets
17,500     
Soldier of Fortune: Payback
15,596     

Ubisoft

NameYearly     
Assassins Creed
490,092     
Tom Clancy Rainbow Six: Vegas
224,224     
Tom Clancy Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2
130,178     
Enchanted Arms
104,745     
Tom Clancy Splinter Cell: Double Agent
101,932     
Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII
96,082     
Beowolf: The Game
34,699     
Blazing Angels 2: Secret Missions of WWII
26,039     
Surfs Up
9,236     

Take 2

NameYearly    
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
321,708    
Major League Baseball 2K7
186,678    
NBA 2K8
171,475    
The Darkness
162,376    
NBA 2K7
150,773    
The Bigs
76,781    
College Hoops 2K7
72,317    
All Pro Football 2K8
57,134    
NHL 2K7
44,490    
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer
43,807    
College Hoops 2K8
24,979    
NHL 2K8
22,020    
Elder Scrolls IV: Shivering Isles
13,859    

THQ

NameYearly    
WWE Smackdown vs Raw 2008
144,141    
Stuntman Ignition
49,664    
Conan
47,284    
Juiced 2: Hot Import Nights
26,738    
Ratatouille
25,805    
Cars: Mater-National
13,010    

 

 

Being that publishers have claimed that they need sales of 500,000 units to break even on PS3 development I'm certain that they're really happy they have lost a ton of money on 90% of PS3 games ...



Even though 3rd party developers take the WII seriously, the buyers aren't taking them seriously, unless you create a carnival or party game



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@Onna76:
Sure they are! Look at the good games, and look at their sales. I am not sure there are more than 2-3 that differ greatly from what we would expect a game of that quality to do.

That said, looking at Happy's list above me, they gotta be a heckuva lot happier with their Wii sales than their PS3 sales



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Guys the wii has the LARGEST install base, its very dissapointing that 3rd party games are selling below 1M 1m on the wii for a 3rd party game is about 6% attach rate. Now add up all 3rd party games and its less than a 2% attach rate for wii 3rd parties.



 

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HappySqurriel: Just because a developer said they must sell 500k on PS3 does not mean that you can use the same formula on all 3rd party games.