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Umm this is why I hate 1UP. I didn't bother reading the whole article, but as soon as they suggest Nintendo isn't following Gumpei Yokoi's strategy I can't read much more. Gumpei was an innovator and while he believed in using dated technologies he also believed in innovating. The article points to the DS for using dated technology while innovating with the touch screen and such. But then says 3DS is a departure from that, they talk about how 3DS is more powerful then the PSP and with 3D graphics to boot.

But lets look at technology for a second. PSP is not current gen competition and 3DS is not in direct competition with it. Infact Nintendo's real competitor will be the NGP. Now look at the visuals that 3DS pumps out they are around as powerful as the Nintendo Wii or so I've heard, while the NGP will have the power of the PS3 in theory. Now how is that any different then GameBoy using decade old technology? Infact the GameCube which the 3DS is more in line with launched exactly a decade ago, the technology is a decade old. While the competition (GameGear) NGP is state of the art graphical power and hardware.

Just because Nintendo innovated with 3D doesn't mean they have ditched Yokoi's strategy. Infact the 3DS is a direct decendant of the DS and Yokoi's strategies. I skipped to the end of the article and must say it is fairly biased against Nintendo and niave. Pointing to the steady decline in sales from past Nintendo consoles as an indication of the future. Thats extremely niave, if Nintendo can keep offering consumers experiances they can't find on the competitors hardware then people will continue buying Nintendo consoles.

Gumpei's strategy remains in tact and Nintendo will outsell NGP, it will also survive the iOS. Nintendo is here to stay get over it 1UP!



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ChichiriMuyo said:

The real problem with this article is that all of the tech in the 3DS is pretty old, even the 3D.  Sure, no one really used it this way before, but Nintendo's been playing around with it for longer than the DS has been on the market.  And all of the other tech is well used and documented.

Right, aside from the 3D screen, the 3DS is all withered technology. The only question is if the lateral thinking half of this is coming into play, which you see glimmers of with the AR Games and Face Raiders (where they're trying to put the technology to work to make something different, and not just making bigger and better games)



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Mr Khan said:

The only question is if the lateral thinking half of this is coming into play, which you see glimmers of with the AR Games and Face Raiders (where they're trying to put the technology to work to make something different, and not just making bigger and better games)

Agreed.  The AR/Face Raiders applications are the biggest differentiating features of the 3DS so far.

Many people were skeptical when the DS first launched as to what the touch screen and mic could be used for in making something for games that would prove to be both different and useful.  Nintendo answered with games like Brain Age and Nintendogs.

Obviously the SMBs, Mario Karts and Pokemons will well-round its library, but I think it's games related to the AR/Face Raiders type features that will really set 3DS apart and prove what Nintendo's vision is with it.  I can't wait to see what full blown games they've thought up regarding this stuff.



Software, software, software

 

3DS like DS and Wii will live and die on the back of its software library, if Nintendo releases compelling software for the 3DS, it will be successful, if not, it will flop

 

If nintendo tries to cram 3D into every game, it probably won;t work, some games like NSMB, require no 3D, and would probably not benefit from it in any way, it might even harm such games, so there is a reason not to bother with 3D

 

 



I remember not having any games for my DS besides Mario 64 and Spiderman for like 6 months after the damn thing came out. I guess I should have just given up on it, cause obviously it was a failure.

I'm being silly of course, but I'm starting to get annoyed by the doomed and "lack of compelling software" crap. IT'S BEEN OUT A WEEK! A MONTH IN JAPAN! Give it a chance. Software is the king. 100%. People were patient and gave the PS3 some, and it delivered great titles like LBP and Demon Souls, after a while. The 3DS is POTENTIAL in clamshell. Wait and please try to enjoy yourself.

I'm gonna go fishing on my coffee table now. :)



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axt113 said:

Software, software, software

 

3DS like DS and Wii will live and die on the back of its software library, if Nintendo releases compelling software for the 3DS, it will be successful, if not, it will flop

 

If nintendo tries to cram 3D into every game, it probably won;t work, some games like NSMB, require no 3D, and would probably not benefit from it in any way, it might even harm such games, so there is a reason not to bother with 3D

 

 


Yeah, they don't need any fancy crap, just have the backgrounds look 3D. Otherwise make great levels.



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LordTheNightKnight said:
axt113 said:

Software, software, software

 

3DS like DS and Wii will live and die on the back of its software library, if Nintendo releases compelling software for the 3DS, it will be successful, if not, it will flop

 

If nintendo tries to cram 3D into every game, it probably won;t work, some games like NSMB, require no 3D, and would probably not benefit from it in any way, it might even harm such games, so there is a reason not to bother with 3D

 

 


Yeah, they don't need any fancy crap, just have the backgrounds look 3D. Otherwise make great levels.

Lord, did you quit posting Malstrom´s articles?...have you been reading his latest opinions on the 3DS and the apparent direction Nintendo is headed with the new handheld?



RolStoppable said:

The first two pages are pretty much the same as the stuff you could read on Sean Malstrom's blog in the last few weeks, so it's possible that the author of this article reads that blog every now and then.

Unfortunately, this useful information is then used to move over to rather irrational doomspelling on page three by saying that the 3DS could be outdone on the casual front by iOS and on the hardcore front by the NGP. For one, because Nintendo doesn't have an online shop that offers retail sized games and is generally not convenient to use and two, because the NGP will obviously be the better choice for core gamers, even though the same was said about the DS vs. PSP and the DS eventually came out on top.

The real reason why the 3DS will have trouble to reach the same sales level as its predecessor is a too strong emphasis on 3D gameplay, simply because it can easily be done now. 2D games will only make up for a minority of the library and that's going to cost Nintendo a lot of customers, because those people accounted for a pretty sizeable chunk of their previous handhelds. Those gamers won't purchase an NGP or play games on iOS instead though, because those systems don't offer what they want either. Nintendo's Virtual Console service on the 3DS could soften the blow though.

We have to wait and see how Nintendo handles the 3DS and which kind of games they'll make for it. There's not much reason to be overly optimistic right now, but on the other hand it's not like the 3DS is already a lost cause, far from it.


I am pretty sure Nintendo will develop it's games to work well with 3D slider on and off.  Whenever I decided to get the 3DS I will probably turn the slider off a decent amount of times to conserve the battery more.  I expect that the games should look and play just as good in 2D and 3D.  Once they release Mario Kart I will probably buy the 3DS.  That is one of the ips I am most interested in seeing for the 3DS (besides F-Zero).   Those two ips right there have a chance to sell the 3DS like hotcakes if done right.  Of course you can't forget about Mario.



JGarret said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
axt113 said:

Software, software, software

 

3DS like DS and Wii will live and die on the back of its software library, if Nintendo releases compelling software for the 3DS, it will be successful, if not, it will flop

 

If nintendo tries to cram 3D into every game, it probably won;t work, some games like NSMB, require no 3D, and would probably not benefit from it in any way, it might even harm such games, so there is a reason not to bother with 3D

 

 


Yeah, they don't need any fancy crap, just have the backgrounds look 3D. Otherwise make great levels.

Lord, did you quit posting Malstrom´s articles?...have you been reading his latest opinions on the 3DS and the apparent direction Nintendo is headed with the new handheld?


That was because of the several month pause, and the quoting system breaking two threads. Might have to start a third one that just discusses his points in general.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

JGarret said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
axt113 said:

Software, software, software

 

3DS like DS and Wii will live and die on the back of its software library, if Nintendo releases compelling software for the 3DS, it will be successful, if not, it will flop

 

If nintendo tries to cram 3D into every game, it probably won;t work, some games like NSMB, require no 3D, and would probably not benefit from it in any way, it might even harm such games, so there is a reason not to bother with 3D

 

 


Yeah, they don't need any fancy crap, just have the backgrounds look 3D. Otherwise make great levels.

Lord, did you quit posting Malstrom´s articles?...have you been reading his latest opinions on the 3DS and the apparent direction Nintendo is headed with the new handheld?


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