Well... Is not hard core gamers included in "everyone?" Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't everyone... EVERYONE? Wii is made to target everyone, and it does. I am a hardcore gamer. I like every type of game and can be critical of any of them, and I must say, the Wii is for hardcore gamers, along with many other gamers.

Just because the Wii is the only console with pure fun games on it (games that have no real meaning or anything, but simply fun) doesnt mean its not also for hardcore gamers. I am a huge hardcore gamer and must say, I love games like warioware and wii sports/play (especially that tank game on wii play with a partner. thats great). Games like CoD, MoH, Godfather, excite truck, Madden (especially madden), and all the sports games are just as hardcore, and in manys opinion (such as mine) more hardcore as the other consoles versions. Also possible future Wii games like GTA will be just as good on the Wii, if not better (see godfather).

How can the Wii not be considered a next gen when it made the biggest leap of any of the consoles? How is it not more hardcore when it actually can put you into a game if you dont let pride stop you? I'll defend that the Wii is a hardcore gamers console to the end not just because it is, but because when I say the Wii is the only console I intend to get rather games like GTA come out for it or not, and then let someone say its not a hardcore gamers console, thats like saying I'm not a hardcore gamer. On the contrary, I'm a huge hardcore gamer who likes any type a game and probably has less of a life than anyone here. Video games are my life, as pathetic as that may be, I dont give a shit.

As hardocore gamer I am going to have to call you out on that one.

"Just because the Wii is the only console with pure fun games on it (games that have no real meaning or anything, but simply fun) doesnt mean its not also for hardcore gamers"

I am sorry but if all 3 systems firmly fit into a niche Wii(mindless fun), 360 (PC shooters and ports), PS3 (japanese action and RPG games) I know that as a gamer I would feel terribly dissapointed. I need variety and surprises and that includes huge twists and attacks on genre. Now it is less of an issue for me because I own all of em but I would judge a systems merit on variety and by what your saying the Wii wouldn't be all that great if its best games were just mindles fun. Only people who like to play those games would be attracted to the system and if the salse of last generation was an indicator, those type of gamers are niche.

EDIT: the hardcore most likely already played games like RE4 and ninja gaiden. So these games (RE4 and sigma) would not entice the hardcore to buy the system but it would serve to add more meat to the dinner plate of gamers who already own the systems (ps3 wii).

Well... Is not hard core gamers included in "everyone?" Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't everyone... EVERYONE? Wii is made to target everyone, and it does. I am a hardcore gamer. I like every type of game and can be critical of any of them, and I must say, the Wii is for hardcore gamers, along with many other gamers.

Just because the Wii is the only console with pure fun games on it (games that have no real meaning or anything, but simply fun) doesnt mean its not also for hardcore gamers. I am a huge hardcore gamer and must say, I love games like warioware and wii sports/play (especially that tank game on wii play with a partner. thats great). Games like CoD, MoH, Godfather, excite truck, Madden (especially madden), and all the sports games are just as hardcore, and in manys opinion (such as mine) more hardcore as the other consoles versions. Also possible future Wii games like GTA will be just as good on the Wii, if not better (see godfather).

How can the Wii not be considered a next gen when it made the biggest leap of any of the consoles? How is it not more hardcore when it actually can put you into a game if you dont let pride stop you? I'll defend that the Wii is a hardcore gamers console to the end not just because it is, but because when I say the Wii is the only console I intend to get rather games like GTA come out for it or not, and then let someone say its not a hardcore gamers console, thats like saying I'm not a hardcore gamer. On the contrary, I'm a huge hardcore gamer who likes any type a game and probably has less of a life than anyone here. Video games are my life, as pathetic as that may be, I dont give a shit.

Here we go again... sjeez.... WII is not only mindless fun, why the heck do you think Fire Emblem, Sonic, Excite Truck, Swing Golf Pangya, Paper Mario, Treasure Land Z, Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles have been created for? I don't really call them mindless piece of games because they require serious gaming. Then Resistance is nothing but a mindless shooting game either then. One bullet does enough to shoot the crap out of the mother ugly bastard.

I'm so sick and tired of these kind of stupid arguments I have to come up with everytime.

They require serious gaming? One bullet?

There is a huge difference between red steel and resistance. All shooting games require you to shoot a gun but your reasoning makes as much sense as sayying rad racer and gran turismo 3 take the same amount of gaming.

Games have different tonalities, difficulty, atmosphere and presence. Most Wii games I have played seem not to take themselves seriously (witht he exception of zelda) and have an emphasis on gameplay over storyline instead of a healthy mix of both.

Resistance gameplay is actually pretty straight forward and less than spectacular but at least it tries to feed you a story that keeps you moving on.

It comes down to choice. It is similar to the question of liking action movies that's filled with explosions and seems like a five year old wrote it or an action movie that puts the uses action to complete a movie.

And is it just me or does the Wii games seem like cake? I am pushing through super paper maria--- er mario, without thinking to hard.