sapphi_snake said:
mrstickball said:
The South lost because it had a fraction of the population, and a fraction of the economic base that the North had. It would be like the US going to war with Mexico right now.
The South has always been behind in pretty much everything. I don't know if you can really blame them, given that their cities were pretty much burned to the ground after the Civil War, whereas Northern cities didn't get touched.
Having said that, the South is growing a lot faster than the North due to pro-business economic policies. Most union states are growing at a rate of half of the rebel states. Eventually, the South will surpass the North in terms of economics. Education may be another situation, sadly.
As for the Rebel thing - I don't think its racism. Its more of a regional nationalism thing, IMO. Some people can't let go the fact that they lost a war which they started (and the Rebels did start the war, BTW by attacking Fort Sumter). There may also be some specific anti-government ideals engrained in rebel pride as well. But its generally fading away as urbanization and better economic conditions improve.
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I knew that, I read Gone with the Wind. ;-P
And considering what I heard about the South, I'm not surprised at all you guys have terrible education (you guys don't even tach evolution in schools, no? and you have abistence-only "sex ed", no?)
I'm curious, since we're on this particular forum topic, which book would you say illustrated the best how slavery where you lived: Uncle Tom's Cabin or Gone with the Wind? Do you have any connection to slave owners? How really bad is the religious intolerance and homophobia over there? Why were Southerners Democrats in the past, and why are they now Republicans?
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I'm not from the south, FYI. I am well North of the Mason Dixon line.
For what its worth, its not "terrible" education. Its just not as good as some other states, and even then, its not like American education is worth much in general, anyways.
Here's a map of composite SAT scores by state to give you a relative idea of education levels (darker means better):
And median incomes by state:
As for the evolution issue....I am about 99% certain that teaching evolution in schools is the standard in most schools around the country, and not a major issue. Ciriculum can really be up to the teachers, as well. Some will be very pro-evolution, and others may be neutral, or pro-ID but still be required to teach evolution, but do it half-heartedly. Heck, as a religious homeschooler, I still learned about evolution pretty thouroughly.
No connections to slave owners...Given the distance we have from the civil war, few people really have the desire to look into seeing if they had family that owned slaves and the like. The only people that really care about that type of thing are the instigators like Al Sharpton, et all that make it a public issue on TV. Its kind of like trying to be angry at any average German for Nazism... You really can't hold that against the great grandchildren for something they despise and have nothing to do with.
As for life under slavery, I think there are elements from both Uncle Tom's Cabin and Gone With the Wind that are true. There is still a hint of the whole steriotypical persona of Southern charm, chivilary, and hospitality that exists even today and was the case back then. Generally, you find that the whites that colonized the South had a more aristocratic flair, which made them more cutthroat business men for the slave trade, along with the wealth from what slavery did to both the blacks and the whites. So the excesses and human tragedies depicted in Uncole Toms Cabin are certainly true, along with the chivalry of Gone With The Wind.
Religious intolerance and homophobia...Hmm. I live in a county that is arguably the most white and religious in Ohio. I would say that, personally, it is not that bad. Homophobia is a far less common thing than religious intolerance, though. Thats not to say it doesn't exist....If you are a homosexual in school, you may get crap for it (names), but once you graduate, no one really cares.
As for the Democrat-Republican issue in the South, that is a very interesting one. Democrats were the ones that heavily backed slavery in the South. Republicans were the ones that were vehimently against it. After the Civil War, every freed slave voted Republican, which gave them a super majority in the South for a few decades. After time, though, more white Democrats came into power, and enacted racist laws that prevented blacks from voting, called Jim Crowe laws. Eventually, this turned the South into a Democratic power base for approximately 70 years. After time, both parties changed in general stances, which slowly led to Republicans becoming more favored in the South, due to their conservative nature.