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reviniente on 27 March 2011
CGI-Quality said:
reviniente said:
CGI-Quality said:

- GT5 continues it's trek to 10 million

- Uncharted 2 continues it's trek to 5 million

- God of War III continues it's trek to 4 million

Yeah, eventually. They'll have to bundle the hell out of that game, though.

If you've been paying close attention, you'll see that most who say it will reach 10 million have also said it will get a bundle here or there at some point in the future. In other words, that piece is redundant. Many also said it either wouldn't pass Prologue or it wouldn't reach 6 million. In the amount of time that it's easily done both, nobody is irrational for thinking it will pass 10 million.

It will be interesting to see how it's second holiday turns out along with future price cuts & the Greatest Hits Edition (this all without bundling).

In other words, we are in agreement.



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SlaughterTheISA on 27 March 2011

Great numbers for the PS3.



killeryoshis on 27 March 2011
Beuli2 said:
Nintendogamer said:
TeddostheFireKing said:
Nintendogamer said:
TeddostheFireKing said:

I'm surprised the DS is still selling this well so close to the 3DS release date in EMEAA and America, surely it can't last forever


What about PS2, that thing is selling after 3 years of PS3... why can't DS sell after 3DS's release, GBA sold over 20M after the release of DS< prepare to see monster LT sales for DS, it will sure pass 160M by end of year,


for the beginning of PS3's life, Sony supported both machines quite well and so did thrird parties, I doubt Nintendo can focus on releasing games for the DS, 3DS and Wii for any real length of time, and the PS2 is selling in emerging markets, Nintendo doesn't have the infrastructure to sell in those regions

I didn't know the GBA sold so much after the DS release, but I suppose the DS could last a while from a price perspective (the 3DS is twice the price of the DS), and a DS price cut right before Christmas would do wonders to make it sell (but that may take 3DS sales away, albeit for the time being)


There's a few games still coming to the DS, such as the new kirby and plants V zombies in EMEAA.

Isn't it for the Wii?

there's a new kirby game for both ds and wii



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Alby_da_Wolf on 27 March 2011
reviniente said:
CGI-Quality said:
reviniente said:
CGI-Quality said:

- GT5 continues it's trek to 10 million

- Uncharted 2 continues it's trek to 5 million

- God of War III continues it's trek to 4 million

Yeah, eventually. They'll have to bundle the hell out of that game, though.

If you've been paying close attention, you'll see that most who say it will reach 10 million have also said it will get a bundle here or there at some point in the future. In other words, that piece is redundant. Many also said it either wouldn't pass Prologue or it wouldn't reach 6 million. In the amount of time that it's easily done both, nobody is irrational for thinking it will pass 10 million.

It will be interesting to see how it's second holiday turns out along with future price cuts & the Greatest Hits Edition (this all without bundling).

In other words, we are in agreement.

I agree too. It's quite natural that after a while price cuts be done, special editions be released and limited bundling for special sales period happen. After limited bundles sales potential has been exploited, it's also normal, after a while, for the most important 1st party games to be bundled more regularly and heavily. It happened before to previous GT series games, it happened to Halo, Forza, Mario Kart and other Mario games, why shouldn't it happen to GT5 too? And the level of heavy bundling and any other end of life sales boosting moves will depend also on the goals at reach: if 9.5M are exceeded before they start, the obvious minimum goal will be to reach 10M. But after 10M goal comes the twist: as 3rd and 2nd best selling GT games are very close, if the goal to replace the current 3rd ranking is at reach, a further effort will be totally sensible to get 2nd place instead.



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Alby_da_Wolf on 27 March 2011
CGI-Quality said:
reviniente said:
CGI-Quality said:
reviniente said:
CGI-Quality said:

- GT5 continues it's trek to 10 million

- Uncharted 2 continues it's trek to 5 million

- God of War III continues it's trek to 4 million

Yeah, eventually. They'll have to bundle the hell out of that game, though.

If you've been paying close attention, you'll see that most who say it will reach 10 million have also said it will get a bundle here or there at some point in the future. In other words, that piece is redundant. Many also said it either wouldn't pass Prologue or it wouldn't reach 6 million. In the amount of time that it's easily done both, nobody is irrational for thinking it will pass 10 million.

It will be interesting to see how it's second holiday turns out along with future price cuts & the Greatest Hits Edition (this all without bundling).

In other words, we are in agreement.

Not quite. I doubt it will require the type of bundling you're talking about (basically a giveaway title). So no.

In the short and middle term, no, but in the long term, after its sales potential has almost completely been exploited, it could make sense to choose it instead of any other title, to complete bundles with more than one game, for example, or to bundle it at very affordable cost with 1st and 3rd party wheels, to attract more new gamers both to the series and the whole genre itself. As I wrote in my previous post, these moves could be played after some important sales goals have been achieved and if some others are at reach. The "giveaway" bundling would make a lot of sense if 3rd and 2nd place in GT5 series come at reach, for example. All this IMVHO.



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Michael-5 on 27 March 2011
GreyianStorm said:

PS3 isn't tracking 20% lower than last year. It's down just under 9% for the year. Vast difference, and really changes the outcome of any predictions.

This week it's 9%, but past weeks I recall seeing 20% and higher. Post Killzone 3 PS3 has been tracking better.



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Michael-5 on 27 March 2011
yo_john117 said:
Michael-5 said:
Carl2291 said:
Michael-5 said:

Sucks, but then again Forza 3 will break 5 million sales soon, and if Forza 4 does better that just gives GT more competition. More competition, means better quality for both games.

There is a difference between being successful, and bundling your way to success.

Forza, while it has "sold" extremely well, has had a huge portion of its sales from bundles. The same happened with Forza 2, which is overtracked here by 500k btw.

Forza 3 had close to 1.5 Million units moved with the official bundle last Year. It had an official Holiday bundle in 2009 too, although it's hard to say how many sales came from that one.

It's not exactly competition if you need to bundle it like crazy to just come close the Prologue to GT5.

I know Forza 2 is largely bundled, but Forza 3 sold most of its copies on it's own. I know before the Forza/Alan Wake bundle, Forza 3 sold about 3.3 million units on it's own accord. When the bundle ended it was at 4.67 million. The week the Ultimate Edition released, Forza 3 weekly sales jumped, and even before that the game was selling 10-20k weekly. I think at the very most 1 million of Forza 3's sales are bundled. So when the game does break 5 million, I think it's fair to say the game sold 4 million on it's own accord. If GT5 sells 9 million lifetime, thats almost half the volume.

That to me counts as competition. Camero's only sell a 5th as well as Mustangs, but they are still rivals are they not? Had Chevy not introduced the 300hp V6 and 400hp V8, would Ford have done it on their own? Maybe, but not as fast.

BTW Prologue sales for GT5 were bundled too, so :P.

You forgot about the ODST/Forza 3 official bundle. So in all honesty 1.5 million sounds about right for how much its been bundled.

Maybe, but I think 1 million and 500k are absolute max posiibilities for the Alan Wake and ODST bundles respectively. Even then, the game could hit 5.5 million lifetime, and thus 4 million are of its own accord. :P



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Michael-5 on 27 March 2011
Alby_da_Wolf said:
CGI-Quality said:
reviniente said:
CGI-Quality said:
reviniente said:
CGI-Quality said:

- GT5 continues it's trek to 10 million

- Uncharted 2 continues it's trek to 5 million

- God of War III continues it's trek to 4 million

Yeah, eventually. They'll have to bundle the hell out of that game, though.

If you've been paying close attention, you'll see that most who say it will reach 10 million have also said it will get a bundle here or there at some point in the future. In other words, that piece is redundant. Many also said it either wouldn't pass Prologue or it wouldn't reach 6 million. In the amount of time that it's easily done both, nobody is irrational for thinking it will pass 10 million.

It will be interesting to see how it's second holiday turns out along with future price cuts & the Greatest Hits Edition (this all without bundling).

In other words, we are in agreement.

Not quite. I doubt it will require the type of bundling you're talking about (basically a giveaway title). So no.

In the short and middle term, no, but in the long term, after its sales potential has almost completely been exploited, it could make sense to choose it instead of any other title, to complete bundles with more than one game, for example, or to bundle it at very affordable cost with 1st and 3rd party wheels, to attract more new gamers both to the series and the whole genre itself. As I wrote in my previous post, these moves could be played after some important sales goals have been achieved and if some others are at reach. The "giveaway" bundling would make a lot of sense if 3rd and 2nd place in GT5 series come at reach, for example. All this IMVHO.

Greatest Hits! :P



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yo_john117 on 28 March 2011
Michael-5 said:
yo_john117 said:
Michael-5 said:
Carl2291 said:
Michael-5 said:

Sucks, but then again Forza 3 will break 5 million sales soon, and if Forza 4 does better that just gives GT more competition. More competition, means better quality for both games.

There is a difference between being successful, and bundling your way to success.

Forza, while it has "sold" extremely well, has had a huge portion of its sales from bundles. The same happened with Forza 2, which is overtracked here by 500k btw.

Forza 3 had close to 1.5 Million units moved with the official bundle last Year. It had an official Holiday bundle in 2009 too, although it's hard to say how many sales came from that one.

It's not exactly competition if you need to bundle it like crazy to just come close the Prologue to GT5.

I know Forza 2 is largely bundled, but Forza 3 sold most of its copies on it's own. I know before the Forza/Alan Wake bundle, Forza 3 sold about 3.3 million units on it's own accord. When the bundle ended it was at 4.67 million. The week the Ultimate Edition released, Forza 3 weekly sales jumped, and even before that the game was selling 10-20k weekly. I think at the very most 1 million of Forza 3's sales are bundled. So when the game does break 5 million, I think it's fair to say the game sold 4 million on it's own accord. If GT5 sells 9 million lifetime, thats almost half the volume.

That to me counts as competition. Camero's only sell a 5th as well as Mustangs, but they are still rivals are they not? Had Chevy not introduced the 300hp V6 and 400hp V8, would Ford have done it on their own? Maybe, but not as fast.

BTW Prologue sales for GT5 were bundled too, so :P.

You forgot about the ODST/Forza 3 official bundle. So in all honesty 1.5 million sounds about right for how much its been bundled.

Maybe, but I think 1 million and 500k are absolute max posiibilities for the Alan Wake and ODST bundles respectively. Even then, the game could hit 5.5 million lifetime, and thus 4 million are of its own accord. :P

I don't think Forza 3 will hit 5.5 million because Forza 4 is coming out this year and will pretty much cut off any sales Forza 3 was getting. I think best case scenario is 4.8-5.0 million total....but thats way better then Forza 2 did.



Michael-5 on 28 March 2011
yo_john117 said:
Michael-5 said:
yo_john117 said:
Michael-5 said:

I know Forza 2 is largely bundled, but Forza 3 sold most of its copies on it's own. I know before the Forza/Alan Wake bundle, Forza 3 sold about 3.3 million units on it's own accord. When the bundle ended it was at 4.67 million. The week the Ultimate Edition released, Forza 3 weekly sales jumped, and even before that the game was selling 10-20k weekly. I think at the very most 1 million of Forza 3's sales are bundled. So when the game does break 5 million, I think it's fair to say the game sold 4 million on it's own accord. If GT5 sells 9 million lifetime, thats almost half the volume.

That to me counts as competition. Camero's only sell a 5th as well as Mustangs, but they are still rivals are they not? Had Chevy not introduced the 300hp V6 and 400hp V8, would Ford have done it on their own? Maybe, but not as fast.

BTW Prologue sales for GT5 were bundled too, so :P.

You forgot about the ODST/Forza 3 official bundle. So in all honesty 1.5 million sounds about right for how much its been bundled.

Maybe, but I think 1 million and 500k are absolute max posiibilities for the Alan Wake and ODST bundles respectively. Even then, the game could hit 5.5 million lifetime, and thus 4 million are of its own accord. :P

I don't think Forza 3 will hit 5.5 million because Forza 4 is coming out this year and will pretty much cut off any sales Forza 3 was getting. I think best case scenario is 4.8-5.0 million total....but thats way better then Forza 2 did.

Yea, but Forza 3 is still selling 10-15k weekly, and Forza 4 is at least 6 months (26 weeks) away. That alone means 250-400k. Then after Forza 4 I don't think Forza 3 sales will completly die. A lot of new console owners will see a new copy of Forza 3 for $20, and be interested. GT4 is still selling after all, and Forza 2 managed about 100k after Forza 3's release without bundles. 5.5 is possible, but not certain.



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