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Helios said:

Ignoring, for the moment, the fact that philosophy was never limited to the subject(s) of scientific inquiry, I would like to point out that even within the context of science, philosophy has its place. The scientific method itself is a philosophical construct, and contemporary science is by no means beyond philosophical critique; for example, the distinction between realism and instrumentalism - that is, the query of whether scientific theories are true representations of the world, or approximate guidelines and abstracted models with practical use (essentially, do atoms exist as real objects, or are they merely elements of a model meant to explain certain empirical observations?) - and the controversy of reductionism - the idea that the inquiries of every field of academic research can be (theoretically, if not practically) broken down and explained on a scientific base (as Mr Khan, and perhaps even the OP, seem to think) - are discussed as part of the philosophy of science.

And, as I and others have mentioned, the philosophy of science is merely one subset of the field of philosophy proper. Other prominent subsets include the philosophy of mind, language, epistemology, ontology, logic, ethics, politics, aesthetics, and so on.

We seem to be at a chicken-or-the-egg question, speaking as to what begat what when the two exist together. Philosophy is necessary to form the basis of scientific inquiry. However, science seeks, by manifold paths, hard answers to that which philosophy can categorize but not conclusively answer. We now understand the spontaneous interactions of electricity and certain chemicals which form the basis of life, which at one point was a realm of philosophy outside of science, and other things could be comprehended in similarly absolute manners, given ways to discover them which we do not yet possess



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ManusJustus said:
Kasz216 said:

What is the point behind modern philosphy?

I think science killed philosophy.

I would of thought so, yet you can still major in it, and there are two branches of "Modern" philosphy.

I'm mostly curious about modern philosphy based on the mention of philosphers in the other thread, and because the philosphy program is being cut at the local university along with a lot of other stuff because the state republicans don't really seem to get that a few more taxes wouldn't be that bad of an idea.

I mean, when you've got no income tax, and no corporate tax, and yet no buisnesses show up... you gotta realize that it's because nobody wants to live here, because you wouldn't want to raise your kids here.  47% Graduation rate statewide and soon to be no good state colleges?  Good luck.

Trade the Nevada government for the Califronian government and both states would operate much better.



"Modern" philosphy as far as terminology goes, ended somewhere end of 19th/beginning of 20th century, from then on it's labeled "contemporary", with the split in analytical and continental (though all this still only refers to Western philosophy). Though it's been like 15 years since high school, I barely remember anything let alone be able to explain about it.

Though when it comes to university majors, I'd think people would still learn about what it's been before even if a lot of the speculations from then have been passed into branches of science.



twesterm said:

You equate philosophy to science?  I always put them on the complete opposite end.

It's been a good 10 years since I took my intro philosophy class but science is about things that you can prove and are certain, philosophy is not.

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A man drops a ball from the top of a building.  The physicist asks how tall is the building so he can understand how long it will take to drop.  The philospher asks why the man dropped the ball so he can understand what the man was thinking.

That sounds more like psychology to me. Just add "and how did that make him feel".



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sapphi_snake said:
twesterm said:

You equate philosophy to science?  I always put them on the complete opposite end.

It's been a good 10 years since I took my intro philosophy class but science is about things that you can prove and are certain, philosophy is not.

-edit-

A man drops a ball from the top of a building.  The physicist asks how tall is the building so he can understand how long it will take to drop.  The philospher asks why the man dropped the ball so he can understand what the man was thinking.

That sounds more like psychology to me. Just add "and how did that make him feel".

Psychology is the semi-hard science of moral philosophy, and a perfect grasp of psychology could theoretically lead to total understanding of political philosophy as well



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Philosophy is generally two things. Firstly its speculation that leads either to fruitful endevors (such as natural philosophy, which then leads into science, or say logic or ethics or moral philosophy etc) upon which case it ceases to be the lead in those areas as the specialised fields become desciplines in their own right (as they should) or such speculative thinking goes nowhere (more often then not).

Secondly, once a field has established itself it becomes more about analysis.

So philosophy really is what you do before you've worked out how to do it or even if you should. Dennett (a quite well known philosopher right now) said something along the lines of "Philosophy is when you don't know what questions to ask".

The dimishing importance of philosophy is a good thing, it means that we're moving forward and getting better answers. Its quite ironic that the ultimate triumph of philosophy would be living in a world where its almost completely gone.

I wouldn't throw it completely out the window, there are some very clear thinkers that come out of the field (Such as Dennett, Grayling etc) and many horrible ones, mainly theologians in my opinion.

 



Philosophy is a sport or past time for people who don't have to worry about food/clothing/shelter and have time to engage in formulation of never ending hypothesis for never ending questions. 

Nice video highwaystar101. 

I was in very much into philosophy once but than the realities of life started to take precedence and i felt that no "why" can be fully answered. If a "why" can be answered it is only given other fixed variable. For example something can be fully true but it has to be in certain point of time. Life and Universe is constantly evolving so one can only experience its deep secrets beyond the realm of mind or thinking. 
Thank you and have a nice day. 



Psychology is the science to investigate the mental state directly. It is joy, fear and delusion as to investigate the specific mental state generally uses empirical methods. Together to study psychology, law, or enter the human organism and the binding of these mental states in the output.