The thing is when you play Uncharted without comparing it to anything else, you won't notice anything bad about it. Nothing is BAD, unlike some other heavy hitters.

Whereas along with this Uncharted 2 manages to have very good character models, highly detailed environments and beautiful lighting as well.

Crysis 2 has texture pop-ins and shadow problems. Killzone 2 and 3 has low res textures.

And for the last fucking time, why are you guys quoting eurogamer again? Eurogamer says it sits next to Uncharted 2 as the most detailed console game. So that makes it look better? It actually compliments Uncharted 2 as being more detailed.

Gamespot and many others have been disappointed by the graphics on console. And they definitely don't think of it as the best looking game. So now its the benchmark because of it?

Seriously talk about trying too hard. If anything looks better it should be the majority of guys calling it better. The majority don't call it as the best looking, so now logically it must obviously be the best looking console game.

But one thing is certain. This gen if anything sets the benchmark, its going to be the PS3 exclusives. "Does this game look better than KZ3??" lol the PS3 exclusives pretty much had no competition in the last 1 1/2 years when so many people were talking about how the differences are so minimal. And now they are blown away by crysis 2 that doesn't even get more than 10 mentions as the top class graphical game.

And this game is certainly not going to win any technical awards this year because it has frame-rate problems and screen tearing. KZ3 has neither. If either of these two win the award it would be KZ3.

well uncharted is still regarded by many as the best looking game

but i never said uncharted has better water than crysis. i havent played far enough into it to give a verdict, but im leaning towards crysis in the water department. in uncharted you cant swim under the surface and see rays of light, obviously in crysis, you can

Sorry to butcher your post but I didn't want to get into all the other points you made.  That comment to me actually meant they're side by side, or if you like equivalent.  There is certainly no evidence in those words of either being better than the other.  I haven't quoted anybody but this comment has been misconstrued several times now by both parties in the debate.

DF still praises Uncharted 2... Eurogamer said in Crysis 2 review that Ucharted 2 hold the king graphics.

Uncharted 2 is so 2011.

They did? Didn't they say Crisis 2 is on par with Uncharted 2? ("next to")

"But this world sits next to Uncharted 2's as the most detailed and well-expressed yet seen on our TVs. "

It says "next to", not "next after".

Just in details on screen... overall not.

Proof?

"But this world sits next to Uncharted 2's as the most detailed and well-expressed yet seen on our TVs. "

That doesn't exclude other aspects of graphics though.

It's just a way of saying that it's on par with Uncharted 2. "well-expressed" is a vague word btw, so that proves it.

I quoted just the last line...

"But it is a world whose intricacy and realism will cause you to stop and stare long after the first drop of the jaw. The sway of tree-tops; the spray of a decorative fountain; the flames erupting from a burst gas pipe: incidental details that grab your attention for their quiet, shocking realism. Who knows how Crytek managed to squeeze Cry Engine 3 onto the consoles while maintaining such extraordinary level of detail? But this world sits next to Uncharted 2's as the most detailed and well-expressed yet seen on our TVs."

The article just compare details on screen... and it is on pair with Uncharted 2... the other points not... so if the review not claimed the graphic king crown it because it not delivery that.

Uncharted 2 kept the crown since late 2009.

So expectations not changed after all...  gamers still expected anything better than Uncharted 2... 16 months have passed and a 2009 game is still the graphic benchmark for consoles like a 2007 game on PC (Crysis... because Crysis 2 did not surpass the original... at least that's what I read from PC gamers).

Other thing I found curious was some reviews praised the better 3D tech used in Crysis 2 over Killzone 3... but DF said the opposite "Killzone 3 and the new Motorstorm had better 3D tech".