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mantlepiecek on 16 March 2011
mendozahotness said:
mantlepiecek said:

And? Reliablity matters a lot in future so it does matter in future-proofing. If my system fails every year that's hardly called future-proof. Oh and it did fail(for me at least) every year,

That's nice. I'd sooner have a console that might break that can run said games properly, then a console that never breaks and struggles to run games as well as the oldest hardware.

Yeah I lol'd. Good one. Sorry if I had the budget to buy more than one console every time it broke, I would have got a gaming PC itself and not a bricking system.

And PS3 had its share of great multiplats. Most of them look same its just that 360 has more in its favour that's all.

Keep your theories to yourself, I would rather have a system that has an HDMI, blu-ray, reliability and more exclusives than a system whose future is nowhere to be seen, and whose past was broken.

EDIT: And Mass effect 2 is the same on both the systems. It has better shadows on the PS3, and due to AA being selective on the 360 version, it doesn't matter. Overall they are the same, both lens and digitalfoundry agree with me.

If a small "If anything had to be better it must be the 360" quote from digitalfoundry matters that much to you, and yet you are OK with your hardware problems then you have got your priorities so wrong its laughable.



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Ping_ii on 17 March 2011
mendozahotness said:
mantlepiecek said:

And? Reliablity matters a lot in future so it does matter in future-proofing. If my system fails every year that's hardly called future-proof. Oh and it did fail(for me at least) every year,

That's nice. I'd sooner have a console that might break that can run said games properly, then a console that never breaks and struggles to run games as well as the oldest hardware.

mantlepiecek said:

Carmack himself has said it that the HDD gives an advantage to the PS3, and the blu-ray, seriously what future-proof are you talking about in relation to the 360? It uses old DVD media which has started to show its age with Dead Space 2 and Mass Effect 2 already, even Castlevania has 2 Discs.

I niticed Resident Evil 4 on Gamecube had 2 discs and the PS2 version only had one, but still had inferior graphics. 360 games could be on 10 discs and it wouldn't matter, as long as the graphics are better.

Hell PS3 had an extra year of development for Mass Effect 2 and they still had to take out the AA and motion blur to get the game running as well as the oldest hardware.

mantlepiecek said:

No one buys older games, and the small quantity that do, do not matter. There are more people now who have a PC that can run GTA 4 properly then people who do have a 360 that can run GTA 4 properly along with an HDTV. With time, more people start buying new PCs and end up getting temporary gaming PCs. So your so called "future proof" 360 didn't ever exist.

Sorry, unless they bought their PCS in November 2005, they don't count.

mantlepiecek said:

And now that its reliablity is restored, the multiplats quality on the PS3 is also getting better (the irony).

What you find it ironic that the newest hardware this generation is running the utmost worst version of the software?
Xbox software has enjoyed this level of polish for years.

mantlepiecek said:

The only exception is Bulletstorm.  Even Mass effect 2 is the same on both and it uses unreal engine as well.

And Crysis 2 and Test Drive Unlimited 2 and Fight Night Champions and Marvel Vs Capcom 3, that's just the last 2 months, brin in 2010 and you got Mafia 2, GTA:EFLC, RDR, Bayonetta, Dead Rising, BLOPS..IT'S ENDLESS

mantlepiecek said:

Even Mass effect 2 is the same on both and it uses unreal engine as well.

Nope, it has no AA or motion blur on PS3...and its a year late.

 

 

 


WOW WTF have microsoft done to your brain?

1.yeh PS3 struggle to run games thats why 360 after 5 years still doesn't even have a single game that looks close to Uncharted 2 or GOD OF WAR or KZ3/2 in graphics right? GTFO!

2.360 enjoys polish ever year while ps3 stuggles? yeh like how alan wake is 540p after 5 years in development ay? or how the best selling 360 exclusive halo 3 is subHD too? or how Splinter cell conviction is 570p on 360?  those kind polish?

3.FF13,batman AA,Castlevania,split second,mirrors edge,dark siders etc etc. HEY LOOK I CAN LIST GAMES THAT LOOKS BETTER ON PS3 TOO IT MUST MEAN TEH UBER POWERFUL 360 STRUGGLES TO RUN GAMEZ!!!!!

and BTW MvC is better on ps3

 http://www.lensoftruth.com/head2head/verdictps3/head2head-marvel-vs-capcom-3-analysis/2/



youarebadatgames on 17 March 2011
Ping_ii said:


WOW WTF have microsoft done to your brain?

1.yeh PS3 struggle to run games thats why 360 after 5 years still doesn't even have a single game that looks close to Uncharted 2 or GOD OF WAR or KZ3/2 in graphics right? GTFO!

2.360 enjoys polish ever year while ps3 stuggles? yeh like how alan wake is 540p after 5 years in development ay? or how the best selling 360 exclusive halo 3 is subHD too? or how Splinter cell conviction is 570p on 360?  those kind polish?

3.FF13,batman AA,Castlevania,split second,mirrors edge,dark siders etc etc. HEY LOOK I CAN LIST GAMES THAT LOOKS BETTER ON PS3 TOO IT MUST MEAN TEH UBER POWERFUL 360 STRUGGLES TO RUN GAMEZ!!!!!

and BTW MvC is better on ps3

 http://www.lensoftruth.com/head2head/verdictps3/head2head-marvel-vs-capcom-3-analysis/2/


There's a different opinion here about MvC

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://blog.livedoor.jp/ps360/archives/51702282.html

but the main thing to notice, especially for competitive gamers, is the PS3 has more input lag, same as in SFIV and SSFIV.

Also Digital Foundry

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-xbox360-vs-ps3-round-29-face-off



mantlepiecek on 17 March 2011
youarebadatgames said:
Ping_ii said:


WOW WTF have microsoft done to your brain?

1.yeh PS3 struggle to run games thats why 360 after 5 years still doesn't even have a single game that looks close to Uncharted 2 or GOD OF WAR or KZ3/2 in graphics right? GTFO!

2.360 enjoys polish ever year while ps3 stuggles? yeh like how alan wake is 540p after 5 years in development ay? or how the best selling 360 exclusive halo 3 is subHD too? or how Splinter cell conviction is 570p on 360?  those kind polish?

3.FF13,batman AA,Castlevania,split second,mirrors edge,dark siders etc etc. HEY LOOK I CAN LIST GAMES THAT LOOKS BETTER ON PS3 TOO IT MUST MEAN TEH UBER POWERFUL 360 STRUGGLES TO RUN GAMEZ!!!!!

and BTW MvC is better on ps3

 http://www.lensoftruth.com/head2head/verdictps3/head2head-marvel-vs-capcom-3-analysis/2/


There's a different opinion here about MvC

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://blog.livedoor.jp/ps360/archives/51702282.html

but the main thing to notice, especially for competitive gamers, is the PS3 has more input lag, same as in SFIV and SSFIV.

Also Digital Foundry

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-xbox360-vs-ps3-round-29-face-off

Are you guys FU**IN serious?

So a difference between 83 ms and 66 ms is now noticeable to you?

Right. I am having no more discussions about this if that's true. Carry on with your ridiculous nitpicking.



youarebadatgames on 17 March 2011
mantlepiecek said:

Are you guys FU**IN serious?

So a difference between 83 ms and 66 ms is now noticeable to you?

Right. I am having no more discussions about this if that's true. Carry on with your ridiculous nitpicking.


That's why I said competitive gamers, not noobs like you who wouldn't know the difference, but it matters for stuff like 1 frame links in SSFIV.  Not just me too, the guys at SRK notice it.

http://shoryuken.com/content/truth-about-mvc3-s-framerate-ps3-vs-xbox360-3857/#comments



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DonFerrari on 17 March 2011
youarebadatgames said:
mantlepiecek said:

Are you guys FU**IN serious?

So a difference between 83 ms and 66 ms is now noticeable to you?

Right. I am having no more discussions about this if that's true. Carry on with your ridiculous nitpicking.


That's why I said competitive gamers, not noobs like you who wouldn't know the difference, but it matters for stuff like 1 frame links in SSFIV.  Not just me too, the guys at SRK notice it.

http://shoryuken.com/content/truth-about-mvc3-s-framerate-ps3-vs-xbox360-3857/#comments

For this guys would be better have and arcade version or use a super computer with 1ms of Lag... the kind of justification is fantastic also don't you think....

while the lag between PS3 to Xbox is 25% greater from Xbox to a super computer is 6600%... really that must be really important



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

mantlepiecek on 17 March 2011
youarebadatgames said:
mantlepiecek said:

Are you guys FU**IN serious?

So a difference between 83 ms and 66 ms is now noticeable to you?

Right. I am having no more discussions about this if that's true. Carry on with your ridiculous nitpicking.


That's why I said competitive gamers, not noobs like you who wouldn't know the difference, but it matters for stuff like 1 frame links in SSFIV.  Not just me too, the guys at SRK notice it.

http://shoryuken.com/content/truth-about-mvc3-s-framerate-ps3-vs-xbox360-3857/#comments

And yet, the PS3 version is what is used in tournaments and most of the better players are on the PS3...

lol.



DonFerrari on 17 March 2011
mantlepiecek said:
youarebadatgames said:
mantlepiecek said:

Are you guys FU**IN serious?

So a difference between 83 ms and 66 ms is now noticeable to you?

Right. I am having no more discussions about this if that's true. Carry on with your ridiculous nitpicking.


That's why I said competitive gamers, not noobs like you who wouldn't know the difference, but it matters for stuff like 1 frame links in SSFIV.  Not just me too, the guys at SRK notice it.

http://shoryuken.com/content/truth-about-mvc3-s-framerate-ps3-vs-xbox360-3857/#comments

And yet, the PS3 version is what is used in tournaments and most of the better players are on the PS3...

lol.


this is because 17ms is a finger speed that just xbox players can get and they think it isn't fair.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

youarebadatgames on 17 March 2011
DonFerrari said:

For this guys would be better have and arcade version or use a super computer with 1ms of Lag... the kind of justification is fantastic also don't you think....

while the lag between PS3 to Xbox is 25% greater from Xbox to a super computer is 6600%... really that must be really important


Arcade cabs of SFIV in Japan are modified PCs, but the US national competition EVO went console because arcades are dead here.  Believe it or not, input lag matters at every step because it adds up from console to TV.  They use PS3s at EVO because it was easier to find lagless PS2->PS3 adapters a long time ago, but 360 more closely matches the arcade version.



youarebadatgames on 17 March 2011
mantlepiecek said:

And yet, the PS3 version is what is used in tournaments and most of the better players are on the PS3...

lol.


Wrong again, Japanese players like Daigo plays on Live when he's not at the arcade, but I believe he has both.

http://shoryuken.com/f177/ps3-360-sf4-system-lag-what-definitive-answer-231128/#post8663404

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