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dsister on 19 March 2011

And for the love of all that is good people stop roleclaiming -___-



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theRepublic on 19 March 2011

Votals:
With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

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dsister on 19 March 2011
theprof00 said:

I'd like to point this out:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3960411

"How exactly did I push for a lynch? I haven't told anyone else to vote for him. Not even the people who see it as a bad thing to lie. The one and only [specific] person who i've told to vote is you, and that was to vote for me"

 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3959915

"Look at it this way. I push a lynch on you people start suspecting me, people defend you, people bandwagon on you with little evidence. Tonight it gives the power roles a large crowd of people to suspect instead of guessing randomly from the people that went an voted no lynch. Tomorrow it gives so much more than the average "So what did the powerroles get?"."


How is that a contradiction(in regards to trucks and your post)? I am obviously using a metaphorical "I" to prove how you can get information on the first day lynch which was in response to your post:

... In 1 you say you get information from day 1 lynch. As is should your vote be followed there would be no information and thus your vote cannot be a combination of 1 and 2. ...

That is obviously a way to gather information. Not to mention the first part you quoted is directed at my vote towards Heph and not you. Where the second part is obviously directed at a metaphorical "you" 



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theprof00 on 19 March 2011
dsister said:
theprof00 said:

I'd like to point this out:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3960411

"How exactly did I push for a lynch? I haven't told anyone else to vote for him. Not even the people who see it as a bad thing to lie. The one and only [specific] person who i've told to vote is you, and that was to vote for me"

 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3959915

"Look at it this way. I push a lynch on you people start suspecting me, people defend you, people bandwagon on you with little evidence. Tonight it gives the power roles a large crowd of people to suspect instead of guessing randomly from the people that went an voted no lynch. Tomorrow it gives so much more than the average "So what did the powerroles get?"."


How is that a contradiction(in regards to trucks and your post)? I am obviously using a metaphorical "I" to prove how you can get information on the first day lynch which was in response to your post:

... In 1 you say you get information from day 1 lynch. As is should your vote be followed there would be no information and thus your vote cannot be a combination of 1 and 2. ...

That is obviously a way to gather information. Not to mention the first part you quoted is directed at my vote towards Heph and not you. Where the second part is obviously directed at a metaphorical "you" 

What you're saying is that "I push a lynch on you" is metaphorical, and in no way related to your vote on Heph, despite you yourself saying that your vote for Heph was a combination of your own 1 and 2?

If that's what you're saying then fine, but it is a little irksome when you use words such as "obviously", implying that I'm some kind of idiot, when in one post you say you're voting for Heph to get more info, defend it by using this "metaphorical" scenario, and then say you weren't pushing for a lynch.

Additionally, when I said you were pushing for a lynch, your only defense was, "I never asked anyone to vote for Heph", clearly demonstrating your black and white view of the game.

My point is, you used this metaphorical scenario to explain to Heph why you were voting him, and now you're saying the metaphor had nothing to do with your vote and was only meant to explain how voting or lynching can lead to gained info. My question then is, what were you doing then? Not trying to gain info? 



dsister on 19 March 2011

y'know what? The quoting system on vgc is the most retarded system that I have ever used...

"What you're saying is that "I push a lynch on you" is metaphorical, and in no way related to your vote on Heph, despite you yourself saying that your vote for Heph was a combination of your own 1 and 2?" 

It was to show how a first day lynch could yield information. A combination of 1 and 2 is why I was voting for him. Obviously if I didn't want a first day lynch then I wouldn't of voted for him. 

"If that's what you're saying then fine, but it is a little irksome when you use words such as "obviously", implying that I'm some kind of idiot, when in one post you say you're voting for Heph to get more info, defend it by using this "metaphorical" scenario, and then say you weren't pushing for a lynch."

That's not what I'm implying at all. You read too far into posts and come up with stuff that isn't there...

"Additionally, when I said you were pushing for a lynch, your only defense was, "I never asked anyone to vote for Heph", clearly demonstrating your black and white view of the game." 

Again. it was a metaphorical "I". To show that if someone(anyone) were to push a lynch on someone then the other stuff I said could of happened. 

"My point is, you used this metaphorical scenario to explain to Heph why you were voting him, and now you're saying the metaphor had nothing to do with your vote and was only meant to explain how voting or lynching can lead to gained info. My question then is, what were you doing then? Not trying to gain info?"

I used the first paragraph to explain how a first day lynch could yield information and the second paragraph to explain why I voted for Heph. Because liars get in the way:

dsis said:

Yes, a lying townie just gets in the way. Not only does it lead to mass confusion and possibly a lynch later down the line when we catch you, but it gives the mafia the ability to go back and say "Look, this scum is lying!". Lurkers and liars just get in the way in the later game, and should be taken care of... I rather get rid of the liabilities sooner then later

 



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dsister on 19 March 2011

Continuing post because it wouldn't let me continue after the quote. 

Obviously if people tried to defend Heph or jump on the vote just because someone else did then it too would have yielded some info. Giving the powerroles something to go off of.

But pushing for a first day lynch is a headache on vgc, that I have gone through a couple times and didn't want to try coming up on midterms 



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Wonktonodi on 19 March 2011
Wonktonodi said:

I have some questions.

1. Outlaw why did you find in necisary to roleclaim this early?

For everyone else what are your thoughts on the early roleclaim

2. What is a reasonable amount of time to wait for those that are currently lurking?

3. What are your thoughts on the current make out of the game based on deaths role claims and implied roles? I don't want this one to get too drawn out though.

4. Do you feel as I feel that metal gear is being an active lurker?


These are for everybody  not just outlaw. Note the two parts to number 1 :) 



Wonktonodi on 19 March 2011
Hephaestos said:
Wonktonodi said:

I have some questions.

1. Outlaw why did you find in necisary to roleclaim this early?

For everyone else what are your thoughts on the early roleclaim

2. What is a reasonable amount of time to wait for those that are currently lurking?

3. What are your thoughts on the current make out of the game based on deaths role claims and implied roles? I don't want this one to get too drawn out though.

4. Do you feel as I feel that metal gear is being an active lurker?

i thought they were for outlaw (due to Q1):

1) premature but as he says, he did not roleclaim, far from it. had he done it after hat's claim it would have been fine (didn't check actually but it's what i recall).

2) if they post elsewhere... replace them, we'll see in the morning.

3) already talked about this... what disturbs me is the overall change in player attitude, there are many i can't get a read on yet due to this, i need to addapt too.

4) no, although he doesn't say all that much in his posts, he does post enough to be informative, at least on himself. I'm not saying he's not suspicious, but I'm not about to vote for him based on classiffication such as active lurking.

2

Thanks for pointing that out now fixed.

1. Then what do you call something where someone reveals that they have a night role and what they did with that night role? 

2. Sounds good to me.

3. individual players changing or change in the makeup of the group? Although I would say both myself.

4. Ok, although I am about ready for vote for him although I wanted to wait till midweekend to see if there was any other change with the other lurkers.



dsister on 19 March 2011
Wonktonodi said:
Wonktonodi said:

I have some questions.

1. Outlaw why did you find in necisary to roleclaim this early?

For everyone else what are your thoughts on the early roleclaim

2. What is a reasonable amount of time to wait for those that are currently lurking?

3. What are your thoughts on the current make out of the game based on deaths role claims and implied roles? I don't want this one to get too drawn out though.

4. Do you feel as I feel that metal gear is being an active lurker?


These are for everybody  not just outlaw. Note the two parts to number 1 :) 

1. I'm not outlaw ;_; 

2. After 48 hours without a post on topic is a good amount.

3.I'm not quite sure what you are saying here(I'm tired, sorry)

4. I'll need to take a closer look at his posts after I finish my projects. Before I can answer this 



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Wonktonodi on 19 March 2011
dsister said:
Wonktonodi said:
Wonktonodi said:

I have some questions.

1. Outlaw why did you find in necisary to roleclaim this early?

For everyone else what are your thoughts on the early roleclaim?

2. What is a reasonable amount of time to wait for those that are currently lurking?

3. What are your thoughts on the current make out of the game based on deaths role claims and implied roles? I don't want this one to get too drawn out though.

4. Do you feel as I feel that metal gear is being an active lurker?


These are for everybody  not just outlaw. Note the two parts to number 1 :) 

1. I'm not outlaw ;_; 

2. After 48 hours without a post on topic is a good amount.

3.I'm not quite sure what you are saying here(I'm tired, sorry)

4. I'll need to take a closer look at his posts after I finish my projects. Before I can answer this 


1. What are your thoughts on it. Read bolded.

2. Also sounds good.

3. I'll reword it for you. We so far know the roles of the two dead and that there are at least two factions that can do nightkills. We have two role claims and from them an impiled role of role blocker or driver.  So what are your thoughts on all of this and what it likely means for the make up of the entire game.

4. When you can then.