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Avinash_Tyagi said:
theshoe23 said:
Here is the problem with the insane Wii sales and exclusivity agreement predictions.
1. Exclusives are dead.
2. Kingdom Hearts 3 to my understanding is supposed to show off the power of a GRAPHICALLY next-gen console (360, PS3).
3. Many of your tout franchisees that couldn't bail out the Gamecube to suddenly become massively successful because of this "casual" audience. Learn something, the casual audience wants Wii Fit, Wii Play, Wii Sports, not SSBB, SMG, etc.
4. The most talked about console just about every where I go now (this is not a lie) is the PS3. Everyone seems to be eyeballing one.
5. 90+ mil DS's? Growth doesn't last forever and the DS is reaching critical mass.
6. Sony is crazy, they did the unthinkable and made their $200 dollars worth of price cuts in 07, it has worked. This system with "No games", and "Too expensive" is now neither, and 08 looks far better. $350 or $299 PS3 with MGS4? I wouldn't be to quick to dismiss that based purely on the fact it makes you sad.

I really wish the fanboyism could be better controlled because I truly believe that VGChartz data IS quite accurate and entertaining to read as long as its not accompanied with daily auto-rebuttals to positive PS3 news or "TEH PS3 IS TEH DOOMED LOLOLOLOLZ"

1) Wii has exclusives, the most in fact

2)Money talks, Wii is where the money is, KH3 will go where the money is, just like DQ9 did

3) SSBB is for the hardcore, Wii fit is for the nongaming casuals, Wii has both markets, its wins

4)Most talked about console WW is the Wii everyone wants it

5) DS seems to keep growing at an amazing rate, with no signs of stopping and price can be dropped

6)MGS has never sold well in Japan and won't sell many consoles in the NA, as most who want it already have a PS3


1. Wii has shovelware exclusives, or at least exclusives I or many of my peers could care less about.

2.  Wii is where the money is to make more money to make great 360 and PS3 games, that is how things are shaping up.

3. Actually poor 3rd party game sales show to me that Wii ONLY has the casual market, and Nintendo devotees.

4. My best friend, my two sisters, my mom, my dad, my sisters friends, etc. DON'T WANT A WII.  Not EVERYONE wants one (I rephrase my statement to "many people are eyeballing it").

5. Price drops only go so far and cannot stop critical mass.

6. Again, and this is TRUTH, no one I know (and I know many) bought a PS3 for MGS4.  I might consider buying it but MGS4 will sell systems to many who have been holding off purchasing it.

 



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theshoe23 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
theshoe23 said:
Here is the problem with the insane Wii sales and exclusivity agreement predictions.
1. Exclusives are dead.
2. Kingdom Hearts 3 to my understanding is supposed to show off the power of a GRAPHICALLY next-gen console (360, PS3).
3. Many of your tout franchisees that couldn't bail out the Gamecube to suddenly become massively successful because of this "casual" audience. Learn something, the casual audience wants Wii Fit, Wii Play, Wii Sports, not SSBB, SMG, etc.
4. The most talked about console just about every where I go now (this is not a lie) is the PS3. Everyone seems to be eyeballing one.
5. 90+ mil DS's? Growth doesn't last forever and the DS is reaching critical mass.
6. Sony is crazy, they did the unthinkable and made their $200 dollars worth of price cuts in 07, it has worked. This system with "No games", and "Too expensive" is now neither, and 08 looks far better. $350 or $299 PS3 with MGS4? I wouldn't be to quick to dismiss that based purely on the fact it makes you sad.

I really wish the fanboyism could be better controlled because I truly believe that VGChartz data IS quite accurate and entertaining to read as long as its not accompanied with daily auto-rebuttals to positive PS3 news or "TEH PS3 IS TEH DOOMED LOLOLOLOLZ"

1) Wii has exclusives, the most in fact

2)Money talks, Wii is where the money is, KH3 will go where the money is, just like DQ9 did

3) SSBB is for the hardcore, Wii fit is for the nongaming casuals, Wii has both markets, its wins

4)Most talked about console WW is the Wii everyone wants it

5) DS seems to keep growing at an amazing rate, with no signs of stopping and price can be dropped

6)MGS has never sold well in Japan and won't sell many consoles in the NA, as most who want it already have a PS3


1. Wii has shovelware exclusives, or at least exclusives I or many of my peers could care less about.

2.  Wii is where the money is to make more money to make great 360 and PS3 games, that is how things are shaping up.

3. Actually poor 3rd party game sales show to me that Wii ONLY has the casual market, and Nintendo devotees.

4. My best friend, my two sisters, my mom, my dad, my sisters friends, etc. DON'T WANT A WII.  Not EVERYONE wants one (I rephrase my statement to "many people are eyeballing it").

5. Price drops only go so far and cannot stop critical mass.

6. Again, and this is TRUTH, no one I know (and I know many) bought a PS3 for MGS4.  I might consider buying it but MGS4 will sell systems to many who have been holding off purchasing it.

 


 1)Your peers are far from the mainstream apparantly, considering how well Wii and Wii software is selling, even the "shovelware" sells well, carnival sold very well for example, for a mediocre party game

2)Great games that the mass market doesn't care about

3)No poor third party sales show that most third parties aren't bringing the same quality that Nintendo brings, if you want to compete with Nintendo you have to bring the top qualty stuff

4)Your circle seems to be the minority, seeing as how most want a Wii and are desperately searching for one, obviously you are not representative of the market as a whole

5)You assume that critical mass has been reached, there is no sign of that, who knows if critical mass isn't 500 million 

6)And again your small group is not representative of the market, most who want MGS 4 already knew they wanted a PS3, because it was the system that had it, and already have a PS3, it won't move much hardware unless its bundled



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

theshoe23 said:
Here is the problem with the insane Wii sales and exclusivity agreement predictions.
1. Exclusives are dead.
2. Kingdom Hearts 3 to my understanding is supposed to show off the power of a GRAPHICALLY next-gen console (360, PS3).
3. Many of you tout franchises that couldn't bail out the Gamecube to suddenly become massively successful because of this "casual" audience. Learn something, the casual audience wants Wii Fit, Wii Play, Wii Sports, not SSBB, SMG, etc.
4. The most talked about console just about every where I go now (this is not a lie) is the PS3. Everyone seems to be eyeballing one.
5. 90+ mil DS's? Growth doesn't last forever and the DS is reaching critical mass.
6. Sony is crazy, they did the unthinkable and made their $200 dollars worth of price cuts in 07, it has worked. This system with "No games", and "Too expensive" is now neither, and 08 looks far better. $350 or $299 PS3 with MGS4? I wouldn't be to quick to dismiss that based purely on the fact it makes you sad.

I really wish the fanboyism could be better controlled because I truly believe that VGChartz data IS quite accurate and entertaining to read as long as its not accompanied with daily auto-rebuttals to positive PS3 news or "TEH PS3 IS TEH DOOMED LOLOLOLOLZ"

You should nominate yourself in the next fanboy game. I think you will do quite well.



 

 

Wii: 32 m
Xbox360: 24 m
Ps3: 15 m



Call me crazy, but I also think that Sony will bundle the PS3 with MGS4 :P.

Thats gonna sell a ton, regardless if it has BC or no BC.



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 Consoles: Wii & PS3.

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Oh and end of '08.

Wii - 42M
360 - 22M
PS3 - 18M
DS - 100M (I just had to call it)

No idea for the PSP to be honest.



Avinash_Tyagi said:
theshoe23 said:
Here is the problem with the insane Wii sales and exclusivity agreement predictions.
1. Exclusives are dead.
2. Kingdom Hearts 3 to my understanding is supposed to show off the power of a GRAPHICALLY next-gen console (360, PS3).
3. Many of your tout franchisees that couldn't bail out the Gamecube to suddenly become massively successful because of this "casual" audience. Learn something, the casual audience wants Wii Fit, Wii Play, Wii Sports, not SSBB, SMG, etc.
4. The most talked about console just about every where I go now (this is not a lie) is the PS3. Everyone seems to be eyeballing one.
5. 90+ mil DS's? Growth doesn't last forever and the DS is reaching critical mass.
6. Sony is crazy, they did the unthinkable and made their $200 dollars worth of price cuts in 07, it has worked. This system with "No games", and "Too expensive" is now neither, and 08 looks far better. $350 or $299 PS3 with MGS4? I wouldn't be to quick to dismiss that based purely on the fact it makes you sad.

I really wish the fanboyism could be better controlled because I truly believe that VGChartz data IS quite accurate and entertaining to read as long as its not accompanied with daily auto-rebuttals to positive PS3 news or "TEH PS3 IS TEH DOOMED LOLOLOLOLZ"

 1) Wii has exclusives, the most in fact

2)Money talks, Wii is where the money is, KH3 will go where the money is, just like DQ9 did

3) SSBB is for the hardcore, Wii fit is for the nongaming casuals, Wii has both markets, its wins

4)Most talked about console WW is the Wii everyone wants it

5) DS seems to keep growing at an amazing rate, with no signs of stopping and price can be dropped

6)MGS has never sold well in Japan and won't sell many consoles in the NA, as most who want it already have a PS3


What the hell? Get your facts straight. It may not be on the same level as FF or DQ popularity but if you call MGS's series approx average of 700.000 copies in Japan a failure then you gotta shitting me. lol



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theshoe23 said:

1. Wii has shovelware exclusives, or at least exclusives I or many of my peers could care less about.

2.  Wii is where the money is to make more money to make great 360 and PS3 games, that is how things are shaping up.

3. Actually poor 3rd party game sales show to me that Wii ONLY has the casual market, and Nintendo devotees.

4. My best friend, my two sisters, my mom, my dad, my sisters friends, etc. DON'T WANT A WII.  Not EVERYONE wants one (I rephrase my statement to "many people are eyeballing it").

5. Price drops only go so far and cannot stop critical mass.

6. Again, and this is TRUTH, no one I know (and I know many) bought a PS3 for MGS4.  I might consider buying it but MGS4 will sell systems to many who have been holding off purchasing it.

 


1. Quality of the 3rd party games will get much better as they realize that quality games on wii = great sales.

2. Right now wii is where the money is to offset the losses of developing all the PS3 games that have been in the works for the past 2 years that have shitty sales. (Lair, Hevenly Sword, Uncharted)

3. Time will show that wii can support hardcore cames if they are made for the system. Name one quality hardcore that has sold poorly on wii.

4. I bet you I can name a lot more people that aren't interested in PS3: mom, dad, brother, sister, girlfriend, grandma all of my closest friends.

5. DS has already won, now it doesn't even matter how much they sell.

 

By end of 2008:

Wii 48-50 million

Xbox 360 26 million

PS3 18 million

Mario Kart will outsell GTA4 on an single console.

SSBB and SMG will have lifetime sales higher than Halo.

KH3 will be announced for the wii.

Wii will pass 360 in NA by end of March.



I will just go over the top. Anyone who disagrees feel free to leave a comment, I will assume the rest of the internet thinks I am Kreskin.

Wii

They will sell about 22 million consoles, putting them at 40.5 million lifetime. Increases in production won't come early enough to push out more and shortages will still be seen in early and late 2008 specifically in the US. No pricedrop. Japan will see new colors. US will see a new SKU that packs in WiiFit.

Mario Galaxy will sell an additional 3.5 million copies, topping 7 million lifetime. Smash Bros. and MarioKart will both sell 6 million copies. Wii will get a ton of RPGs from 3rd parties. Kingdom Hearts 3 will be annouced for Wii. Animal Crossing will get delayed to 2009.

PS3

Sales will start to rebound, specifically in Europe. Selling about 13 million consoles bringing their total to 22 million. Complete PS2 software emulation will be developed allowing backwards compatibility to be added to the 40GB. Sony will be forced to drop prices $50 after Microsoft drops prices. New red color available in Japan.

GT5 and Final Fantasy XIII won't be released until 2009. Little Big Planet will be a critical success but sell very poorly under 500,000. Kilzone 2 will stink it up but still sell over 1 million. Metal Gear Solid 4 will be massive and stay exclusive pushing hardware and selling over 3 million in 2008. GTA4 will outsell 360 version in Europe and Japan but not in the US, 3 million total. Devil May Cry 4 2 million.

360

About 7 million were sold in 2006 and 2007. Without Halo 3 launch I say 6.5 million in 2008 putting it at 22.5 million. Despite quality software it is largely seen as it's last big year for the 360. It will continue to be dead in Japan and basically die in Europe now the the PS3 has found its legs. A price drop to $349, $299, $249 before GTA4 will be seen as not enough. Leaked details of next Xbox start to surface, eta 2010.

GTA4 will sell 4 million, Halo Wars will sell 2 million, Gears of War 2 will sell 2 million. Fable 2 2 million. No games in new franchises will sell over 1 million.



Final* Word on Game Delays:

The game will not be any better or include more content then planned. Any commnets that say so are just PR hogwash to make you feel better for having to wait.

Delays are due to lack of proper resources, skill, or adequate planning by the developer.

Do be thankful that they have enough respect for you to delay the game and maintain its intended level of quality.

*naznatips is exempt

dschumm said:
I will just go over the top. Anyone who disagrees feel free to leave a comment, I will assume the rest of the internet thinks I am Kreskin.

Wii

They will sell about 22 million consoles, putting them at 40.5 million lifetime. Increases in production won't come early enough to push out more and shortages will still be seen in early and late 2008 specifically in the US. No pricedrop. Japan will see new colors. US will see a new SKU that packs in WiiFit.

Mario Galaxy will sell an additional 3.5 million copies, topping 7 million lifetime. Smash Bros. and MarioKart will both sell 6 million copies. Wii will get a ton of RPGs from 3rd parties. Kingsome Hearts 3 will be annouced for Wii. Animal Crossing will get delayed to 2009.

PS3

Sales will start to rebound, specifically in Europe. Selling about 13 million consoles bringing their total to 22 million. Complete PS2 software emulation will be developed allowing backwards compatibility to be added to the 40GB. Sony will be forced to drop prices $50 after Microsoft drops prices. New red color available in Japan.

GT5 and Final Fantasy XIII won't be released until 2009. Little Big Planet will be a critical success but sell very poorly under 500,000. Kilzone 2 will stink it up but still sell over 1 million. Metal Gear Solid 4 will be massive and stay exclusive pushing hardware and selling over 3 million in 2008. GTA4 will outsell 360 version in Europe and Japan but not in the US, 3 million total. Devil May Cry 4 2 million.

360

About 7 million were sold in 2006 and 2007. Without Halo 3 launch I say 6.5 million in 2008 putting it at 22.5 million. Despite quality software it is largely seen as it's last big year for the 360. It will continue to be dead in Japan and basically die in Europe now the the PS3 has found its legs. A price drop to $349, $299, $249 before GTA4 will be seen as not enough. Leaked details of next Xbox start to surface, eta 2010.

GTA4 will sell 4 million, Halo Wars will sell 2 million, Gears of War 2 will sell 2 million. Fable 2 2 million. No games in new franchises will sell over 1 million.

 Good man. (pats back).