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I'm no expert on this sort of thing,but I have a feeling that nintendo will release it's next home game console,before anyone else. I think Donkey kong was the last big nintendo game,and that's the only big one that I can think of in a long while. So,I now nintendo is about to come out with the 3DS in America,but I just have a feeling that nintendo is up to something else? So do you think that the wii2 will come out,before the next playstation and microsoft system. Am,I just parnoid? 



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Yes.  Sony will hold out as long as possible to try and reach overall profitability (emphasis on try, they won't make it with PS3), and Microsoft's essentially considering Kinect to be a mid cycle "new generation" already.  The next Wii will also probably not be a generational hardware leap over 360/PS3 (although it should easily outclass both systems), so that gives both some breathing room too.  I think XB3/PS4 will be positioned around the 4k/1080p3D television shift and possibly even HVD for PS4.

Wii 2: 2012 (PS3-plus spec, Blu-ray, 1080p/720p3D standard)

PS4/XB3: 2014-2016 (next gen spec, Blu-ray, possibly HVD for PS4, 4k/1080p3D standard)



Most, including myself, have assumed that it will. Not sure why, though. It's ridiculous to introduce the new system before cutting the old one's price to (more or less) the lowest levels that you can reduce them to unless you're making a loss on the new one.



 

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I think thaht Nintendo will also be the first one to market.  I'm also expecting the 'Super Wii' or whatever it will be called to come out somewhen during 2012




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Yes , released in 2012  imho.



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jarrod said:

Yes.  Sony will hold out as long as possible to try and reach overall profitability (emphasis on try, they won't make it with PS3), and Microsoft's essentially considering Kinect to be a mid cycle "new generation" already.  The next Wii will also probably not be a generational hardware leap over 360/PS3 (although it should easily outclass both systems), so that gives both some breathing room too.  I think XB3/PS4 will be positioned around the 4k/1080p3D television shift and possibly even HVD for PS4.

Wii 2: 2012 (PS3-plus spec, Blu-ray, 1080p/720p3D standard)

PS4/XB3: 2014-2016 (next gen spec, Blu-ray, possibly HVD for PS4, 4k/1080p3D standard)

But will they let Nintendo get two-plus years in on them like that, or will it just guarantee that the whole concept of lateral generations is broken forever?

I'd say Nintendo's early movement will force them to do so as well, and that they will focus on building devices that "perfect" the tech in the PS3 and 360 (that is to say the all-elusive 1080p @ 60fps, get 3D's resolution and framerate up to comparable levels)

Of course, that's under the assumption that Kinect won't last as a hardware booster (which has certainly proven to be the case outside of North America, just that the Americas boost is enough overall). I agree that Sony will last longer, but i'm still doubting they'll make it longer than 7 years at absolute most without a replacement



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Mr Khan said:
jarrod said:

Yes.  Sony will hold out as long as possible to try and reach overall profitability (emphasis on try, they won't make it with PS3), and Microsoft's essentially considering Kinect to be a mid cycle "new generation" already.  The next Wii will also probably not be a generational hardware leap over 360/PS3 (although it should easily outclass both systems), so that gives both some breathing room too.  I think XB3/PS4 will be positioned around the 4k/1080p3D television shift and possibly even HVD for PS4.

Wii 2: 2012 (PS3-plus spec, Blu-ray, 1080p/720p3D standard)

PS4/XB3: 2014-2016 (next gen spec, Blu-ray, possibly HVD for PS4, 4k/1080p3D standard)

But will they let Nintendo get two-plus years in on them like that, or will it just guarantee that the whole concept of lateral generations is broken forever?

I'd say Nintendo's early movement will force them to do so as well, and that they will focus on building devices that "perfect" the tech in the PS3 and 360 (that is to say the all-elusive 1080p @ 60fps, get 3D's resolution and framerate up to comparable levels)

Of course, that's under the assumption that Kinect won't last as a hardware booster (which has certainly proven to be the case outside of North America, just that the Americas boost is enough overall). I agree that Sony will last longer, but i'm still doubting they'll make it longer than 7 years at absolute most without a replacement

Well, Nintendo jumping the next cycle will definitely put pressure on them for sure, but I just think financial and market realities will hold things back longer than usual.  Publishers aren't in any hurry to see a next gen hardware shift, except Epic Games (and their reasonings are all too transparent).  With a Wii 2 in place, there'd be even less incentive for 3rd parties to jump full force into next gen R&D and engine/toolchain development.  Too many have already gotten burned badly from today's fractured, high cost console market, everyone's going to be much more cautious next time.

I also think Kinect is going to have sustained impact.  A Wii-like hardware approach to 360 and PS3 would've probably done MS and Sony no favors, which is also probably why they simply grafted their motion control extensions to the current systems rather than tying them to tweaked new hardware.  Worked out for MS, not for Sony, but that has more to do with the commitment each had than anything imo... if we were going to see next gen hardware from either anytime soon though, I think they'd have saved Kinect and Move for that.



jarrod said:
Mr Khan said:
jarrod said:

Yes.  Sony will hold out as long as possible to try and reach overall profitability (emphasis on try, they won't make it with PS3), and Microsoft's essentially considering Kinect to be a mid cycle "new generation" already.  The next Wii will also probably not be a generational hardware leap over 360/PS3 (although it should easily outclass both systems), so that gives both some breathing room too.  I think XB3/PS4 will be positioned around the 4k/1080p3D television shift and possibly even HVD for PS4.

Wii 2: 2012 (PS3-plus spec, Blu-ray, 1080p/720p3D standard)

PS4/XB3: 2014-2016 (next gen spec, Blu-ray, possibly HVD for PS4, 4k/1080p3D standard)

But will they let Nintendo get two-plus years in on them like that, or will it just guarantee that the whole concept of lateral generations is broken forever?

I'd say Nintendo's early movement will force them to do so as well, and that they will focus on building devices that "perfect" the tech in the PS3 and 360 (that is to say the all-elusive 1080p @ 60fps, get 3D's resolution and framerate up to comparable levels)

Of course, that's under the assumption that Kinect won't last as a hardware booster (which has certainly proven to be the case outside of North America, just that the Americas boost is enough overall). I agree that Sony will last longer, but i'm still doubting they'll make it longer than 7 years at absolute most without a replacement

Well, Nintendo jumping the next cycle will definitely put pressure on them for sure, but I just think financial and market realities will hold things back longer than usual.  Publishers aren't in any hurry to see a next gen hardware shift, except Epic Games (and their reasonings are all too transparent).  With a Wii 2 in place, there'd be even less incentive for 3rd parties to jump full force into next gen R&D and engine/toolchain development.  Too many have already gotten burned badly from today's fractured, high cost console market, everyone's going to be much more cautious next time.

I also think Kinect is going to have sustained impact.  A Wii-like hardware approach to 360 and PS3 would've probably done MS and Sony no favors, which is also probably why they simply grafted their motion control extensions to the current systems rather than tying them to tweaked new hardware.  Worked out for MS, not for Sony, but that has more to do with the commitment each had than anything imo... if we were going to see next gen hardware from either anytime soon though, I think they'd have saved Kinect and Move for that.

The only problem being it would just shift all of Nintendo's current problems with the Wii ahead, much as Pachter predicted: they'd still be the console in the middle where the market for 3rd party titles is less developed, and they'd still be getting inferior PS360 ports, but for different reasons (they're the new platform that devs haven't mastered), and there's the question of bothering to port to this newer device with zero marketshare compared to the 120-million strong (by that point) PS360 userbase, even in Japan where Nintendo needs a hardware refresh the most, you would have more PS3's out there than N6's, which would void the whole purpose.

It would only come to Nintendo's advantage later on down the line when it does come time to move on to PS4 and X3, when they could take advantage of publishers' skittishness on breaking the bank, but the damage could be done after 3 or so years of mediocre support

Under your scenario, they'd be better off keeping the Wii alive even as a zombie and wait out Sony and Microsoft, even though that would doom them to irrelevance in Japan, but they've been down that road before and come out just fine in the long run



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Yes

We'll hear about it either at E3 or soon after SS launch, and we'll see it holiday 2012.

Then the world will end

Bummer



 

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