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Sony's plan to usurp 3DS with their PSP2 revealed

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MaxwellGT2000 said:
patapon said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:


Yeah personally I know it isn't going to sell that well but I've always liked the older PC titles that were all about trajectory and the like.  I mean it's boring as hell for most but on my old packard bell there was nothing better than some old school golf and tanks, it was all about knowing angle degrees and your equipment.  Plus it looks like the 3D could be interesting as well especially with the diving sections.

As for another tl:dr comment, all I saw was you trying to being mocking over the full of crap claim. Yeah, sorry I'm get irritated by people who are rather hardheaded, and make absurd claims such as rebuying games I already own is backwards compatibility, cause it's not. Another example of this is the classic games collections, yes you can play old games from old consoles, still you're rebuying your games, and I still can't fit my old fangled cart or disc in there lol.

How many posts in here have you said were 'tl:dr'? This the third time? Maybe that's your problem, maybe if you actually read the posts that were responding to you, you'd learn something? Ahh but what the hell, this post is already too long for you and you've probably dropped out...

To the people who actually try to read and understand different view points: I will not stand by and watch the ngp be torn down and no one should either. There is FAR too much of that going on already and moderation needs to be done and/or mod powers need to be taken away. I mean, how many threads have we had that say ngp is DOA? And how many joke threads have been dedicated to it thus far with the intent of mocking? Damn son, we're already reaching N-Gage levels of hate

It might seem like I'm against the 3ds in here but that is incorrect. I love and will be getting one. But the 3ds goon squad needs to calm down srsly. Can't wii all just get along? Can't the NGP exist and be awesome along side the 3ds?

The 3ds will sell much more than the ngp anyway so I don't know why the ngp gives people such an itch...


Uhm I'm not attacking NGP either so why are we even having this discussion if we're on the same page here... and of course I'm not going to read a wall of text when the first few lines are outlandish claims, that's one of the basic rules of writing, if you're going to have an outlandish claim put it at the end where people already have read the rest of your opinion and you've established credibility.

Why do I not waste my time on reading those posts?  Cause it's hard enough hammering home one point let alone go through an entire post of issues and trying to hit all of them, so focus on one then move to the rest, cause I'm fairly certain once one point is finished the person in question will of course bring up his other points again, they always do then I can read the first paragraph again... and discuss that one

Why? I read your wall of text in which you claimed I didn't understand/ was full of crap. And how did you know what I was saying if you didn't read it? I think that explains why you think I made outlandish claims, you invented them in your own head.

Let's wrap this up why don't we? I grow weary so let's have a quick analysis of what the argument was and where we are mkay?

1. You claimed the NGP and sony aren't putting emphasis on 'pick up and play' games. I explained this in full with naming multiple games as examples. You have yet to properly address this. FACT

2. you claimed the NGP power difference was meager between the 3ds. Again, I explained this in full and again, have yet to receive a proper response.

3. BC. Has been explained. PSN accounts are Sony's multi-system approace to BC. Not only for next gen portable, but for ALL systems that sony will ever release from now on... You know how many games I will get to play on NGP day one without paying? Many. and all I have to do is hit download etc. etc.

So... this is where we are... where will you take it?



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patapon said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
patapon said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:


Yeah personally I know it isn't going to sell that well but I've always liked the older PC titles that were all about trajectory and the like.  I mean it's boring as hell for most but on my old packard bell there was nothing better than some old school golf and tanks, it was all about knowing angle degrees and your equipment.  Plus it looks like the 3D could be interesting as well especially with the diving sections.

As for another tl:dr comment, all I saw was you trying to being mocking over the full of crap claim. Yeah, sorry I'm get irritated by people who are rather hardheaded, and make absurd claims such as rebuying games I already own is backwards compatibility, cause it's not. Another example of this is the classic games collections, yes you can play old games from old consoles, still you're rebuying your games, and I still can't fit my old fangled cart or disc in there lol.

How many posts in here have you said were 'tl:dr'? This the third time? Maybe that's your problem, maybe if you actually read the posts that were responding to you, you'd learn something? Ahh but what the hell, this post is already too long for you and you've probably dropped out...

To the people who actually try to read and understand different view points: I will not stand by and watch the ngp be torn down and no one should either. There is FAR too much of that going on already and moderation needs to be done and/or mod powers need to be taken away. I mean, how many threads have we had that say ngp is DOA? And how many joke threads have been dedicated to it thus far with the intent of mocking? Damn son, we're already reaching N-Gage levels of hate

It might seem like I'm against the 3ds in here but that is incorrect. I love and will be getting one. But the 3ds goon squad needs to calm down srsly. Can't wii all just get along? Can't the NGP exist and be awesome along side the 3ds?

The 3ds will sell much more than the ngp anyway so I don't know why the ngp gives people such an itch...


Uhm I'm not attacking NGP either so why are we even having this discussion if we're on the same page here... and of course I'm not going to read a wall of text when the first few lines are outlandish claims, that's one of the basic rules of writing, if you're going to have an outlandish claim put it at the end where people already have read the rest of your opinion and you've established credibility.

Why do I not waste my time on reading those posts?  Cause it's hard enough hammering home one point let alone go through an entire post of issues and trying to hit all of them, so focus on one then move to the rest, cause I'm fairly certain once one point is finished the person in question will of course bring up his other points again, they always do then I can read the first paragraph again... and discuss that one

Why? I read your wall of text in which you claimed I didn't understand/ was full of crap. And how did you know what I was saying if you didn't read it? I think that explains why you think I made outlandish claims, you invented them in your own head.

Let's wrap this up why don't we? I grow weary so let's have a quick analysis of what the argument was and where we are mkay?

1. You claimed the NGP and sony aren't putting emphasis on 'pick up and play' games. I explained this in full with naming multiple games as examples. You have yet to properly address this. FACT

2. you claimed the NGP power difference was meager between the 3ds. Again, I explained this in full and again, have yet to receive a proper response.

3. BC. Has been explained. PSN accounts are Sony's multi-system approace to BC. Not only for next gen portable, but for ALL systems that sony will ever release from now on... You know how many games I will get to play on NGP day one without paying? Many. and all I have to do is hit download etc. etc.

So... this is where we are... where will you take it?


Tell me patapon how many physical PSP discs do you own?

NGP doesn't have it's focus on portable games with the key word being portable being imbuned into the design philosophy, already went into this, what Sony is pushing is home console spectacles being made by outsourced teams, the games they've shown off so far that don't push this have yet to show some reason they could be fun and interesting.

And I never said they were megar, minimal, etc differences between 3DS and NGP graphically I said they were in range of each other, that's to say the Xbox stomped the hell out of PS2 graphically but PS2 was within range that engines allowed them to make many games multiplat, and we're already seeing third party multiplat engines running on 3DS so no dur they're probably going to have some multiplats not only between 3DS and NGP but the handhelds and PS3 and 360...

Honestly you're trying to say I'm the one making shit up in my head but you're the one claiming I said things that I didn't  



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patapon said:3. BC. Has been explained. PSN accounts are Sony's multi-system approace to BC. Not only for next gen portable, but for ALL systems that sony will ever release from now on... You know how many games I will get to play on NGP day one without paying? Many. and all I have to do is hit download etc. etc.

This isn't entirely true, it came out that content will need to be repurchased for PS Suite devices for example (including Sony Ericson's Xperia Play).

Besides, Maxwell's point with backwards compatibility still stands to a large degree... NGP isn't fully backwards compatible (it's digital only), while 3DS is (both physical and digital).  You can Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days or Re:Coded on your 3DS, you can't play Birth By Sleep on your NGP.



Galaki said:
MessiaH said:

Ok, so first of all, the DS didn't overtake the PSP only because of its hardware design. It overtook the PSP primarily because of its software. DS games were far more compatible with the "on the go" theme, and are MUCH more casual friendly, inviting millions of new gamers into the handheld arena. My sister never plays videogames, i was borrowing my friends DS at the time, and I had her try Professor Layton, and she was hooked. So software has a big part to do with the DS' success.


You're contradicting yourself there.

The DS hardware is what made such software possible. They go hand in hand. Without hardware like the DS, such games wouldn't be possible. So, by saying hardware didn't matter is quite ridicously.

 

Noticed how the PSP was supposedly be killing the DS starting from its announcement up until a year after they release? The DS hardware was not realized by 3rd parties until a whole year later when the DS suddenly started kicking ass and sales sharply increased.

Again, that is made possible first by the hardware, which at the time, thought to be gimicky and DOA.

My man, i said "the DS didn't overtake the PSP only because of its hardware design. It overtook the PSP primarily because of its software." So I am indeed giving credit to the hardware design, i thought it was duly important to mention that the software released was a primary factor in its success. Had all the games been RPGS, Action, etc (core gaming), then the casual audience would not have gravitated towards the DS. But because little gems like Professor Layton and other titles were created, the casuals were hooked. 

But yes, I will not argue with you that hardware was an important factor, it certainly was. Just wanted to point out that the RIGHT kind of software was released for it as well.



MaxwellGT2000 said:


Tell me patapon how many physical PSP discs do you own?

NGP doesn't have it's focus on portable games with the key word being portable being imbuned into the design philosophy, already went into this, what Sony is pushing is home console spectacles being made by outsourced teams, the games they've shown off so far that don't push this have yet to show some reason they could be fun and interesting.

And I never said they were megar, minimal, etc differences between 3DS and NGP graphically I said they were in range of each other, that's to say the Xbox stomped the hell out of PS2 graphically but PS2 was within range that engines allowed them to make many games multiplat, and we're already seeing third party multiplat engines running on 3DS so no dur they're probably going to have some multiplats not only between 3DS and NGP but the handhelds and PS3 and 360...

Honestly you're trying to say I'm the one making shit up in my head but you're the one claiming I said things that I didn't  

I get all my games from PSN so I can have them forever... that's right, forever. Well, at least until I die. I won't have them then. Tell me something, how long will Nintendo ds games be compatible for the next console generations? The 3ds and then its over? Will you even be able to play them on a home console someday without emulators? These are questions that might permeate the minds of some people. But not me. Why? Because I never have to worry about cartridges and slots. I have REAL, EVERLASTING backwards compatibility. Makes me very happy

As for your second paragraph, you love to twist things don't you? Just see this post (although it is very long and we know how you don't like that) because everything has been answered and your claim that Sony lacks emphasis on  'pick up and play' games has been absolutely obliterated. I don't care if you THINK they are not fun. THAT WASN'T THE DEBATE!!!! Although i can see why you don't understand what I'm talking about... patapon understands... you were too quick to 'tl:dr' and missed all the important stuff I.E. everything

Just stop. Everything that has been claimed and is documented. I have made nothing up and saying that I have doesn't make it reality.

IMPORTANT: I never stated that the ngp and 3ds won't share some games, they most certainly will. The ORIGINAL CLAIM, one that is being twisted by you, was that, and I quote:

"thus 360 and PS3 games coming to portables can come to both, maybe with a bit more work put into the 3DS version, but they're within range of each other, so what's the point NGP will look best, 3DS will be behind but playing in 3D, and PSP will be long dead by the time the software battle heats up between the two."

The 3ds will not see high end games. And if they do, it'll be just like those wiiduces oh how well they went. The ngp will ACTUALLY see these high end games without being completely and utterly butchered. This was the point. We seem to NOW agree though I see? We agree that ngp far exceeds 3ds and that it WILL matter? Just say that then and not that I twist things.

Things to note: LP2 has already been seen actually playing on the NGP, MGS4 cut scene has been viewed, Kojima said he's interested in creating a game that can be played on the fly

Things to REALLY note: You will never see the 3ds play these games. And if a title of the same name comes to them? They will be shells graphically, processing power and probably ultimately fun of the former title.

Looks like it is not ME who twists things, but you. And look! I actually gave examples?! :O

Now it's your turn



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jarrod said:
patapon said:3. BC. Has been explained. PSN accounts are Sony's multi-system approace to BC. Not only for next gen portable, but for ALL systems that sony will ever release from now on... You know how many games I will get to play on NGP day one without paying? Many. and all I have to do is hit download etc. etc.

This isn't entirely true, it came out that content will need to be repurchased for PS Suite devices for example (including Sony Ericson's Xperia Play).

Besides, Maxwell's point with backwards compatibility still stands to a large degree... NGP isn't fully backwards compatible (it's digital only), while 3DS is (both physical and digital).  You can Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days or Re:Coded on your 3DS, you can't play Birth By Sleep on your NGP.

Ah, you are very correct good sir. I did agree with max on not having UMD BC, my issue was with something else... he's yet to say NGP has BC at all!!! Which we both know is incorrect if he doesn't conceed so in his next post. And honestly, the kind of BC that Sony has is better in the long run.

Soon I even think we'll even see nintendo follow the same stratagy because of how efficent it is.



patapon said:
jarrod said:
patapon said:3. BC. Has been explained. PSN accounts are Sony's multi-system approace to BC. Not only for next gen portable, but for ALL systems that sony will ever release from now on... You know how many games I will get to play on NGP day one without paying? Many. and all I have to do is hit download etc. etc.

This isn't entirely true, it came out that content will need to be repurchased for PS Suite devices for example (including Sony Ericson's Xperia Play).

Besides, Maxwell's point with backwards compatibility still stands to a large degree... NGP isn't fully backwards compatible (it's digital only), while 3DS is (both physical and digital).  You can Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days or Re:Coded on your 3DS, you can't play Birth By Sleep on your NGP.

Ah, you are very correct good sir. I did agree with max on not having UMD BC, my issue was with something else... he's yet to say NGP has BC at all!!! Which we both know is incorrect if he doesn't conceed so in his next post. And honestly, the kind of BC that Sony has is better in the long run.

Soon I even think we'll even see nintendo follow the same stratagy because of how efficent it is.


Wait you're being butthurt that I didn't say rebuying the PSP games or just buying a digital version is letting you play some old titles on your NGP? Did I really have to?  That's painfully obvious it's true, but it's a rather lame point cause a very very small percentage of users actually buy their games through the service cause the prices aren't competitive with retail most of the time. So most people follow logic and go hey do I want a higher priced digital copy that I can't sell again or let it gain value or buy this physical copy for 5 to 10 dollars cheaper that I can collect, let it grow in value as it gets rare, and then resell it if I needed to, hard choice.

So we get to the root of it, you were assuming I was meaning NGP had NO way of playing older titles, simply not true, it has no way of playing titles most people own big difference.



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patapon said:
jarrod said:
patapon said:3. BC. Has been explained. PSN accounts are Sony's multi-system approace to BC. Not only for next gen portable, but for ALL systems that sony will ever release from now on... You know how many games I will get to play on NGP day one without paying? Many. and all I have to do is hit download etc. etc.

This isn't entirely true, it came out that content will need to be repurchased for PS Suite devices for example (including Sony Ericson's Xperia Play).

Besides, Maxwell's point with backwards compatibility still stands to a large degree... NGP isn't fully backwards compatible (it's digital only), while 3DS is (both physical and digital).  You can Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days or Re:Coded on your 3DS, you can't play Birth By Sleep on your NGP.

Ah, you are very correct good sir. I did agree with max on not having UMD BC, my issue was with something else... he's yet to say NGP has BC at all!!! Which we both know is incorrect if he doesn't conceed so in his next post. And honestly, the kind of BC that Sony has is better in the long run.

Soon I even think we'll even see nintendo follow the same stratagy because of how efficent it is.

How is Sony's better when they cut out physical media compatibility entirely?  Nintendo's doing both?

And I've no doubt Nintendo will continue compatibility with all their digital platforms going forward.  Unlike Sony though, they'll keep their classic games (ie: Virtual Console) walled off between home and handheld consoles.



In fairness Max... most PSP owners didn't buy their games in the first place. :3



jarrod said:

In fairness Max... most PSP owners didn't buy their games in the first place. :3


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