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^^^  maybe completly different is of base, ill give you that

seeing as i ACTUALLY played both games ill tell you why at least IMO why it sold more, way too much competition on the HD systems, much better games were out. Maybe alot of the Wii owners who bought GE doesnt even have a HD console(wink,wink) to choose from. One game received way more advertisment and hype than the other. and finally, for me GE was just the better game. It's as simple as that. 



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oniyide said:

^^^  maybe completly different is of base, ill give you that

seeing as i ACTUALLY played both games ill tell you why at least IMO why it sold more, way too much competition on the HD systems, much better games were out. Maybe alot of the Wii owners who bought GE doesnt even have a HD console(wink,wink) to choose from. One game received way more advertisment and hype than the other. and finally, for me GE was just the better game. It's as simple as that. 


The problem with part of that is you are still assuming Wii owners will buy what they are given, and therefore bought Goldeney due to having few options (if you did not mean that, some of your words did imply it). The Wii, despite what many insist, does have competition even for those "core" games.

Take those who actually knew of Dead Space Extraction (and weren't outright turned off by EA's intelligence insulting comment that we had better buy it or else). The thought of a slow rail shooter, that held your hand, didn't have the appeal of true rail shooters (even the Nerf shooter games sold better), or even FPS like Call of Duty which all had most of the features of their source counterparts, which meant plenty of action for both single and multiplayer.

If Goldeney had been weak, gamers would have just gone to Black Ops on the Wii (which despite being outsold by Goldeneye is still the fastest selling Wii CoD game), or to Donkey Kong Country Returns, or some older games that had proven themselves.

Conversely, competition does not take fully into account what happened with Blood Stone. We still get games on those systems that sell surprisingly well even without being big series. Plus even some of the weaker James Bong games sold better on systems that had just as much competition.

The thing is that it doesn't matter if Goldeneye actually is the superior game. It matters that it appears to be the superior game. And Blood Stone appears to be average at best, no matter the system it was on. Goldeneye would stand above many FPS even on the PS3 and 360, even if not top tier.



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^^^ your asking why people bought GE over BS. whether Wii owners had a choice is irrelevant, you wanted to know why the chose GE OVER BS, not why they bought GE in the first place. thats why i stated maybe some of those Wii owners who didnt have a HD system bought GE. there really is no choice in that case. not like they could have bought BS in any case, well they could have but that would be stupid.

Yeah because the Wii gets so many FPSs its ridiculous. the competition is really stiff there, thats crap. oh sure COD came out, but what about before that??? how much FPSs come out for Wii a year??  Not disputing if GE was weak if would not have sold, i know i would not have bought it. Blood Stone wasnt that hot to begin with, there were better marketed games and better games in general that came out around it on HDs. Assassin's Creed, GT5, COD, Castlevania, NFS, there were alot of options around that time and the game got no advertisment, at all. which is funny how you like to throw that argument around, how come its not relevant to BS???

Ge would not stand above many FPSs on the HD, the campaign is just ok, their are much smoother online games on the HDs and the fact that the game supports no kind of voice chat, pretty much negates it from being top-tier on the HDs, and if you think that having voice chat in a FPS is not important, go to a friend's house with 360 and COD and see for yourself. I love the game but had this been on PS3 i would have been way harsher



oniyide said:

Ge would not stand above many FPSs on the HD, the campaign is just ok, their are much smoother online games on the HDs and the fact that the game supports no kind of voice chat, pretty much negates it from being top-tier on the HDs, and if you think that having voice chat in a FPS is not important, go to a friend's house with 360 and COD and see for yourself. I love the game but had this been on PS3 i would have been way harsher

If Goldeneye was released on an HD console, those problems would not be present. It would be changed to take advantage of Live/PSN.

I'd also say that the campaign just being 'ok' pretty much puts it in the higher echelons of modern FPS to begin with, but that's just my opinion...



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^^^ see i dont think thats entirely true. is it not possible to do updates on the Wii or is the system that closed off, i know it would be a hell of alot easier on HDs. and the lack of voice chat is unacceptable, COD has voice chat, didnt Conduit have it??? and im sure Conduit 2 will have it, so WTH Eurocom??

IMHO this game would be in the upper middle class of FPSs if on HD, im comparing the game as it is not what it might have been. If the online was a little bit better and it had voice chat then this would have been in the top 5 FPSs ive played this gen. IMHO this is a very good FPS but could have been excellent.



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oniyide said:

@lordtheknight whats ironic is that you say just cause i didnt see any but you still claim there were little Conduit ads, bull. There were TV ads in the US, google it. there were magazine ads, i know because they ran for about 3 months, i could pick 3 different mags that ran that ad, and ive seen billboards in NYC so there were ads. Wii has online support sure, not nearly as well implemented as the HDs.  FYI Bioshock had no tv ads and look how well that did, original mind you.

@pacman excitebots is a racing game, there are those on HDs maybe not as weird. Trauma series and Wario intersesting, ill get back to you on that because Wario as good as it is, is like a compilation of a bunch of smaller games. i think i saw some weird thing similiar on Live but im gonna check. ive never played bash party so cant comment.

I dont know where your getting fix from. I didnt use that phrase where talking about GE here and thats a FPS. i know not everyone is into FPSs like that. As for motion sure they would that, but like you said its all about implemation. Does it matter if it has motion or not if the game sucks??? no amount of motion tech will fix a poorly made game (looking at you MOHs for Wii) you pull PC out but the PC lacks in some genres as well (fighting being one) and im talking consoles


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This thread is extending far too much than what it should. Eurocom said it did good, so why discussing? So what if it sold less than HD shooters? I have yet to be prooven by someone that userbase mathers sometinhg on how a game sells except giving it a roof.



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oniyide said:

^^^ your asking why people bought GE over BS. whether Wii owners had a choice is irrelevant(1), you wanted to know why the chose GE OVER BS, not why they bought GE in the first place. thats why i stated maybe some of those Wii owners who didnt have a HD system bought GE. there really is no choice in that case(2). not like they could have bought BS in any case, well they could have but that would be stupid.

Yeah because the Wii gets so many FPSs its ridiculous. the competition is really stiff there, thats crap.(3) oh sure COD came out, but what about before that??? how much FPSs come out for Wii a year??  Not disputing if GE was weak if would not have sold, i know i would not have bought it. Blood Stone wasnt that hot to begin with, there were better marketed games and better games in general that came out around it on HDs. Assassin's Creed, GT5, COD, Castlevania, NFS, there were alot of options around that time and the game got no advertisment, at all(4). which is funny how you like to throw that argument around, how come its not relevant to BS???

Ge would not stand above many FPSs on the HD, the campaign is just ok, their are much smoother online games on the HDs and the fact that the game supports no kind of voice chat, pretty much negates it from being top-tier on the HDs, and if you think that having voice chat in a FPS is not important, go to a friend's house with 360 and COD and see for yourself. I love the game but had this been on PS3 i would have been way harsher


1. Then why even bring it up? Seriously, if it's not relevant, it's not a good idea to mention it in the context of reasons, unless you want people to confuse it for listing a reason.

2. Then you really shouldn't have brought that up, as the chosing one over the other precludes those who couldn't make the choice, and adding that just muddled your point.

3. I explicitly wrote about the so-called "core" games, meaning no genre qualifier, but you counter with "FPS" specifically. That misses the point about what I wrote.

Since some people don't look for just one genre, even if they don't like all genres, then a dearth of options for one genre doesn't mean that they will rule out any other genre if the choices from them are good choices. Thus it doesn't matter if they aren't that many FPS on the Wii. All genres count as options.

4. No advertizement? Do you even look at youtube? All those games you mentioned have videos of TV ads for them (just search for "(game name) tv spot".

And you brought up those non-FPS games as competition to Blood Stone, which I did not deny, but you specifically mentioned Goldeneye only in the context of FPS games as competition. That is a false argument, as it's a double standard.



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Beuli2 said:

This thread is extending far too much than what it should. Eurocom said it did good, so why discussing? So what if it sold less than HD shooters? I have yet to be prooven by someone that userbase mathers sometinhg on how a game sells except giving it a roof.


I've found it can limit sales, but past 30 million, it's the appeal and awareness that keeps a game from selling more.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

You ask why one sold better than the other, im just trying to give you different scenarios and not being able to buy the BS game im sure is a scenario some people faced.

You say core games and that could mean a wide range of different types of games. but then you say i cant use the BS 'competition argument" Vanquish, enslaved, Castlevania are all 3rd person perspective games, if you wanna get speific. I compare FPSs to FPSs because that is what GE is and thats what this thread is about, its not about "core games selling on Wii", we'ed be here forever.  Ads i was talking specifically about BS that game got no advertisment, i just checked. So is it a stretch to think that might had something to do with it???