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Forums - Nintendo - Eurocom "immensely satisfied" with Goldeneye sales performance/reception

Zlejedi said:

If consumers are leaving then there's even more reasons to not develop games for Wii since you don't know how many of them will remain active at all in 12-24 months time after you finished development.

For me sales of Golden Eye are another proof that only reasons to develop on Wii are low budget (Conduit/Madworld/Muramasa) or a good IP to revive. If all you want is good return of investment it's better to develop another party/sports/fitness game or invest into platformer title.


Leaving doesn't negate the higher costs and risks of the other systems (and the money lost shows the risks are real). It just means to try harder to get them back. And leaving means the DEVELOPERS failed for not making the games or not marketing what they do, not the customers for not buying what they either can't or don't know exists when they can.



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@Zdelji  the fanbase for shooters are not as large on WIi, i dont care what anyone tries to tell you or how they spin it. Ad times??? bullcrap, if your a core gamer with a decent internet connection you dont depend on TV ads. Bioshock did good without it and im sure a few others did too.

@Lordtheknight  fraction??? are you high, do you know how much WiiFit sold?? a hell of alot more than the core games on the WIi, and people wonder why there are so many exercise ripoffs, the same reason why there are so many FPSs on HDs, its the most popular genre of their respective systems



@lordtheknight even if what you say is true about winning people back, why would they??? Developers would literally have to bend over backwards to get Wii owners to play FPSs on that system. YOur competing with HALO, better COD, Killzone, Borderlands, Bioshock, L4D, Resistance, I could go on and on, you really think an average gamer in his/her right mind would leave that for Conduit??? Not going to happen, oh you might get the occasional multiplat owner who might check out a WIi FPS, but that game would have to be freaking amazing, GE for instance and you know what? even that game pales in comparasion to some of the HDs/PC games. No voice chat??? in 2011, no updates??? 



oniyide said:

@Zdelji  the fanbase for shooters are not as large on WIi, i dont care what anyone tries to tell you or how they spin it. Ad times??? bullcrap, if your a core gamer with a decent internet connection you dont depend on TV ads. Bioshock did good without it and im sure a few others did too.

@Lordtheknight  fraction??? are you high, do you know how much WiiFit sold?? a hell of alot more than the core games on the WIi, and people wonder why there are so many exercise ripoffs, the same reason why there are so many FPSs on HDs, its the most popular genre of their respective systems


"fraction" means "less than the whole", not a tiny amount. It's large, but that doesn't mean it's the only possible audience. And saying that "core" games sell less doesn't mean to stop trying at all.

Plus justifying the poor variety of genres on the other systems with that is no better.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

oniyide said:

@lordtheknight even if what you say is true about winning people back, why would they??? Developers would literally have to bend over backwards to get Wii owners to play FPSs on that system. YOur competing with HALO, better COD, Killzone, Borderlands, Bioshock, L4D, Resistance, I could go on and on, you really think an average gamer in his/her right mind would leave that for Conduit??? Not going to happen, oh you might get the occasional multiplat owner who might check out a WIi FPS, but that game would have to be freaking amazing, GE for instance and you know what? even that game pales in comparasion to some of the HDs/PC games. No voice chat??? in 2011, no updates??? 


They wouldn't have to bend over backwards. First of all, there are loads of FPS from the last gen that the Wii could handle. Just release them with some extra features, and some actual marketing. Then put some other FPS on the system, either original or ported from the other systems (at reasonable prices or extra features to make up for the lost time).

No, that would not be hard. They could make a lot of jobs getting more people and companies to do so. The only read hard thing would be admitting they were wrong and that it's a problem THEY have to fix, not the Wii customers (and don't try any of that crap about how we are in the wrong, as if we are obligated to buy games that don't interest us and/or don't even know exists due to lack of marketing).

I'm not claiming it's likely to happen, ONLY that it's possible, and their responsibility, and their failure if they don't do it.



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Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

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Ultimately our opinions on whether the game is a success or failure don't mater at all, because Eurocon has labled the game a success and so it's a success, and no amount of arguing or comparisons to other games by people on the internet will change that.



^^^ poor variety of genres?? WIi has the worst variety of all the current gen systems. THe only thing Wii has in abundance that the HDs dont is shovelware and exercise games and thanks to kinect/Move they got those too. Fighting, FPS, 3rd person, platformers 2d and 3d, racing arcade and simulation, RPG western AND Japanese, puzzle, beat em ups, sports, open world, MMOs. HDs slaughter Wii in all those categories, does the wii even have an open world game beside Bully?? how about WRPG?? no? thought so, i wish people who didnt know what the hell they were talking about wouldnt make comments like that. its obvious you have never touched a HD console, im starting to think you dont even play anything unless its Ninty made

stop trying?? thats exactly what it means, you look at a fitness or dance game and there doing 10-20 mil and cost next to nothing to make contrast that to the core games which cost more and make what?? 500K 1 mil if lucky and cost much more, financial you would be an idiot not to make the former. THe fact of the matter is that most Wii owners just want to dance. You cant accept that and try to twist it to make the devs look evil. THe fact is you give the people what they want and the MAJORITY (looking at sales) Wii owners like those kinds of games where you dance and get exercise. You can go to the hightest cliff and scream at the top of your lungs, the silent majority will trump you everytime



so your solution is to port older FPSs on the WIi?? thats a terrible idea, you think WIi owners are that gullible and desperate for FPSs that they would spend money on a game that they have already played and could get for pennies??? WOuld you buy those games cause they would get not a dime from me, thats laziness, id just get my ass on amazon or gamestop and find the GC version of whatever crap they were trying to sell me. I know your going to pull the RE4 argument out, but that was one game in a sea of ports that sold like crap (Okami did alright) and that game still paled in comparasion ot the PS2 version (sales wise)



oniyide said:

so your solution is to port older FPSs on the WIi?? thats a terrible idea, you think WIi owners are that gullible and desperate for FPSs that they would spend money on a game that they have already played and could get for pennies??? WOuld you buy those games cause they would get not a dime from me, thats laziness, id just get my ass on amazon or gamestop and find the GC version of whatever crap they were trying to sell me. I know your going to pull the RE4 argument out, but that was one game in a sea of ports that sold like crap (Okami did alright) and that game still paled in comparasion ot the PS2 version (sales wise)


"First of all" means it was just the start. As in have some content ready while they make the better stuff. Plus I also wrote putting extra features, which they can't get with the original games. Thought that was obvious, but you still seem to be stuck in the same "We can't see past Wii Fit" bullshit the third parties are in.

Plus the "pennies" thing is wrong. Used games aren't that cheap, nor did I mean selling these games at full price if that's what you were thinking. $20-$30 is fine for a single game, $40-$50 for a compliation.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

Shadowfest3 said:

I bought Goldeneye 007 and Blacks Ops for the Wii because it supported the Classic Controller Pro.  I'm a FPS fan and no matter how hard I tried I couldn't get use to using the Wii Remote and Nunchuk.  I am use to playing FPS on the PS3 and 360 controllers that have dual analog. 


I will let you in on the secret. 

The secret is forget you are playing a game with a controller and jsut move without thinking too much and hitting the Z or A button to shoot. The movments dont even need to be that much when you sitting. I jsut rest my arm on my leg an duse my writs to move around the screen. IE NO BIG stupid hand movements some people do.

I initially had trouble too. But what I found is being a dual analog stick player there was more finger movement and button hitting etc.. With the remote and nunchuck it is simplified.