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huaxiong90 said:
richardhutnik said:
huaxiong90 said:
richardhutnik said:
huaxiong90 said:
jonager said:

yh but chess has been played for nonstop for a long time especially since 1880. so idon´t think it fits the retro word. i might be wrong though

And people still play old video games to this day.

And chess really tailed off since the 70s, after Bobby Fischer went nuts pretty much.  Chess was BIG in the 70s, complete with it being televised on PBS, and making the front page of Time, and other magazines.  To understand what was up with chess, think poker from last decade.

I realize that. I was just supporting the claim that chess IS retro.

Ok.  I think I was expanding upon it to show that chess is in the saem boat as old videogames.  There is something about the style of old arcade games (play for points games) that tended to tail off.  Now competition generally is mano-on-mano, rather than who has the highest score, and done online in real time.  Chess is like that also, but tends to not have as much of the glamour as like Call of Duty does.

That's mainstream culture for you. =/

And end result is an industry that thinks videogames = FPS, or whatever flavor of the month is.  Back before it knew better and had sales greater than the music industry, arcade coin-ops and videogames would have greater experimentation in forms.  And also genres were also a bit more well-defined, and specialized.  Desire for large sales results in blurring and mixing, and some argue a dumbing down of genres to.  I say some of this is good, but a bunch gets missed.



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I blame the switch to HD graphics... Sure it looked great.. but it became waaaay too heavy for most players...

Killed a lot of potential young players..



 

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it didn't have online capability and have only one mode , but really its a good example why its not about graphics but gameplay.



PullusPardus said:

it didn't have online capability and have only one mode , but really its a good example why its not about graphics but gameplay.

Chess has had online play for a LOT longer than you think...not to mention, in Blitzen, which is what my dad (who has been using it for at least 10 years), and I use, there are like 28 different chess games they have available....so no, that has nothing to do with it.

Edit: And according to Wikipedia, there are over 2000 published chess variants.  So while there are only like 28 in Blitzen, there are thousands of different modes.



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Baalzamon said:
PullusPardus said:

it didn't have online capability and have only one mode , but really its a good example why its not about graphics but gameplay.

Chess has had online play for a LOT longer than you think...not to mention, in Blitzen, which is what my dad (who has been using it for at least 10 years), and I use, there are like 28 different chess games they have available....so no, that has nothing to do with it.

Edit: And according to Wikipedia, there are over 2000 published chess variants.  So while there are only like 28 in Blitzen, there are thousands of different modes.

I think that giant stone chess set seriously lacks online capabilities.



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richardhutnik said:
Reasonable said:

I only play Chess in real life, when I can glare at my opponent.  Same with Backgammom and similar games.  Never found playing against AI that attractive.

Triva on chess - in Russia chess books are in the sports section, elsewhere the games section.  Of course, I may have been lied to on that as I'm taking the word of a Russian friend on it.  I've never bothered checking.

There are plenty of places to play chess, backgammon to play over the Internet against other people.  Also, Backgammon picked up some of the steam poker had due to you being able to play it legally for money over the Internet, because it is classified as a game of skill.

Is it that you prefer the human face to face interaction, and not just playing against a human for their skill?


Yeah I think I prefer the face to face interaction with Chess.  Sounds funny but I also like the tactile feel of the pieces.  Just doesn't feel right virtually.  I always fee like I want to have a physical borard, pieces and some sitting opposite me.



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Reasonable said:
richardhutnik said:
There are plenty of places to play chess, backgammon to play over the Internet against other people.  Also, Backgammon picked up some of the steam poker had due to you being able to play it legally for money over the Internet, because it is classified as a game of skill.

Is it that you prefer the human face to face interaction, and not just playing against a human for their skill?


Yeah I think I prefer the face to face interaction with Chess.  Sounds funny but I also like the tactile feel of the pieces.  Just doesn't feel right virtually.  I always fee like I want to have a physical borard, pieces and some sitting opposite me.


The giant chess board isn't portable like people said.  But it's not just that.  Why don't people like playing poker online as much as in person.  Poker is all about the personality in the room and reading each others feelings.  Chess is that kind of game as well to a degree.

CoD or Halo is not like that at all.  It's not a slow game that is turn based.  It's fluid in real time and so there is no time for reading expressions.  These old games of mano-a-mano need a closeness that is against what video games are all about - you focus on the screen.



robzo100 said:
Reasonable said:
richardhutnik said:
There are plenty of places to play chess, backgammon to play over the Internet against other people.  Also, Backgammon picked up some of the steam poker had due to you being able to play it legally for money over the Internet, because it is classified as a game of skill.

Is it that you prefer the human face to face interaction, and not just playing against a human for their skill?


Yeah I think I prefer the face to face interaction with Chess.  Sounds funny but I also like the tactile feel of the pieces.  Just doesn't feel right virtually.  I always fee like I want to have a physical borard, pieces and some sitting opposite me.


The giant chess board isn't portable like people said.  But it's not just that.  Why don't people like playing poker online as much as in person.  Poker is all about the personality in the room and reading each others feelings.  Chess is that kind of game as well to a degree.

CoD or Halo is not like that at all.  It's not a slow game that is turn based.  It's fluid in real time and so there is no time for reading expressions.  These old games of mano-a-mano need a closeness that is against what video games are all about - you focus on the screen.

Chess doesn't have to be a slow game...you can play online games where you have 1 minute each for a timer, and no time gets added with each move...and it is actually an extremely fast and challenging way of playing it.



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Reasonable said:
richardhutnik said:
Reasonable said:

I only play Chess in real life, when I can glare at my opponent.  Same with Backgammom and similar games.  Never found playing against AI that attractive.

Triva on chess - in Russia chess books are in the sports section, elsewhere the games section.  Of course, I may have been lied to on that as I'm taking the word of a Russian friend on it.  I've never bothered checking.

There are plenty of places to play chess, backgammon to play over the Internet against other people.  Also, Backgammon picked up some of the steam poker had due to you being able to play it legally for money over the Internet, because it is classified as a game of skill.

Is it that you prefer the human face to face interaction, and not just playing against a human for their skill?


Yeah I think I prefer the face to face interaction with Chess.  Sounds funny but I also like the tactile feel of the pieces.  Just doesn't feel right virtually.  I always fee like I want to have a physical borard, pieces and some sitting opposite me.

I know, from experience, a reason why non-digital boardgames still get played is that you get person interaction that is not the same as online, plus you also get to hold bits in your hands.  It is just a different experience.  I asked about chess, because it is usually Euro style games or American style theme-driven games with plastic bits ("Ameritrash")  that would have such an appeal.  I didn't think chess would be as much though.



Chess is one of those games that could have benefitted from console exclusivity.  I actually DO have chess for the Xbox 360.  It's part of "Spyglass Board Games" on XBLA.  I don't know how well it sold but whenever I go online with it, there's ALWAYS somebody willing to play/kick my ass

Just thought i'd add that Spyglass Board Games supports the Xbox Live Vision Camera.  It probably supports Kinect, too.  That way, you can see the person who's kicking your ass.