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Kasz216 on 25 February 2011
phinch1 said:
fordy said:
phinch1 said:
fordy said:
phinch1 said:
Zkuq said:
Nomad Blue said:

And why/how would you no longer own a product you bought?

Obviously if someone else can tell what you may or may not do with the product you bought, you don't actually own it.


It's everywhere in life get use to it, if you buy your house and the land its on, you own it right? you want to build an extension on your land because its yours and you  can do what you want with it right? Wrong! you first have to get permision off the council, and if they say no to your idea of an extension you can't build it, ignoring them and doing so and you'd be breaking the law

You buy a lorry, its resticted to 60mph you want it to go faster, so you derestrict it.... i mean its your property you can do what you want with it! Wrong again , law stands in the way

I bought a dog.........stammped on its head til it died, I bought it i can do with it what i want can't i?


You cannot just do whatever you want to something you own if there are laws saying otherwise,
and if you do go and do it, Don't fricken cry about it when you get taken to court or arrested over it

ffs sake people grow up

Seriously, if you had at least half a brain, you juuust might be dangerous.

Now, let me tell you where your argument falls flat on it's face. See any resemblance to the examples that you provided? No? They're government regulated. Government regulate certain things for public interest.

Sony wanting to claim a sold PS3 as theirs is known as a CORPORATE INTEREST. Some laws are in place to protect corporations, yes (contract binding, copyright etc), but it is unlawful for Sony to claim ownership of your PS3 and regulate it in their interests. That is borderline monopolistic.

The police and courts aren't Sony's personal attack dogs, and you should not be promoting that they are. Spreading idiocy only creates more idiots.

By the way,  owning a house but still not being able to do certain things does not mean that you don't OWN the house. Sony are going for PS3 ownership, much like software licensing, you will have to buy a "PS3 license" which means you're allowed to rent a PS3 for use from Sony.

I never said that you don't own the house, I said you just can't do what you want with it...well technically you could, but if you get caught you'd be done for breaking the law, much like the case for modding the ps3 software


Once again, corporate interest. The only corporate interest that the law enforces are binding contracts, copyright etc. It's why we live in a Democracy, and not a Corporate Oligarchy

The software was actualy modded with the PS3 Update program, too, so it would be difficult to charge them with that.


ok, back to my point which you didnt answer, is it ok in every case to say "it's my property ill do what i want with it" even if it breaks rules/laws that end up with you in court, is that statment a mature excuse/response to say to the judge?

i just want a simple yes or no


The only reason you can't do something with your house is saftey/health reasons that invovle other people.

So yeah, it is a mature response to say "it's my property i'll do what I want with it" if it dosen't effect other peoples health and well being... because it's not illegal.



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phinch1 on 25 February 2011
Kasz216 said:
phinch1 said:
fordy said:
phinch1 said:
fordy said:
phinch1 said:
Zkuq said:
Nomad Blue said:

And why/how would you no longer own a product you bought?

Obviously if someone else can tell what you may or may not do with the product you bought, you don't actually own it.


It's everywhere in life get use to it, if you buy your house and the land its on, you own it right? you want to build an extension on your land because its yours and you  can do what you want with it right? Wrong! you first have to get permision off the council, and if they say no to your idea of an extension you can't build it, ignoring them and doing so and you'd be breaking the law

You buy a lorry, its resticted to 60mph you want it to go faster, so you derestrict it.... i mean its your property you can do what you want with it! Wrong again , law stands in the way

I bought a dog.........stammped on its head til it died, I bought it i can do with it what i want can't i?


You cannot just do whatever you want to something you own if there are laws saying otherwise,
and if you do go and do it, Don't fricken cry about it when you get taken to court or arrested over it

ffs sake people grow up

Seriously, if you had at least half a brain, you juuust might be dangerous.

Now, let me tell you where your argument falls flat on it's face. See any resemblance to the examples that you provided? No? They're government regulated. Government regulate certain things for public interest.

Sony wanting to claim a sold PS3 as theirs is known as a CORPORATE INTEREST. Some laws are in place to protect corporations, yes (contract binding, copyright etc), but it is unlawful for Sony to claim ownership of your PS3 and regulate it in their interests. That is borderline monopolistic.

The police and courts aren't Sony's personal attack dogs, and you should not be promoting that they are. Spreading idiocy only creates more idiots.

By the way,  owning a house but still not being able to do certain things does not mean that you don't OWN the house. Sony are going for PS3 ownership, much like software licensing, you will have to buy a "PS3 license" which means you're allowed to rent a PS3 for use from Sony.

I never said that you don't own the house, I said you just can't do what you want with it...well technically you could, but if you get caught you'd be done for breaking the law, much like the case for modding the ps3 software


Once again, corporate interest. The only corporate interest that the law enforces are binding contracts, copyright etc. It's why we live in a Democracy, and not a Corporate Oligarchy

The software was actualy modded with the PS3 Update program, too, so it would be difficult to charge them with that.


ok, back to my point which you didnt answer, is it ok in every case to say "it's my property ill do what i want with it" even if it breaks rules/laws that end up with you in court, is that statment a mature excuse/response to say to the judge?

i just want a simple yes or no


The only reason you can't do something with your house is saftey/health reasons that invovle other people.

So yeah, it is a mature response to say "it's my property i'll do what I want with it" if it dosen't effect other peoples health and well being... because it's not illegal.


Its not just health and safety..... It can be something as simple as blocking a neighbours view, or the style not fitting in with the area, Yes councils can be that fussy, i guess you could go against them and carry on with it, just don't be upset if they find out and take action

I guess our views are just different, I don't think its a mature response and you do,  Neither of us or right or wrong, its just opinion



Kasz216 on 25 February 2011
phinch1 said:
Kasz216 said:
phinch1 said:
fordy said:
phinch1 said:
fordy said:
phinch1 said:
Zkuq said:
Nomad Blue said:

And why/how would you no longer own a product you bought?

Obviously if someone else can tell what you may or may not do with the product you bought, you don't actually own it.


It's everywhere in life get use to it, if you buy your house and the land its on, you own it right? you want to build an extension on your land because its yours and you  can do what you want with it right? Wrong! you first have to get permision off the council, and if they say no to your idea of an extension you can't build it, ignoring them and doing so and you'd be breaking the law

You buy a lorry, its resticted to 60mph you want it to go faster, so you derestrict it.... i mean its your property you can do what you want with it! Wrong again , law stands in the way

I bought a dog.........stammped on its head til it died, I bought it i can do with it what i want can't i?


You cannot just do whatever you want to something you own if there are laws saying otherwise,
and if you do go and do it, Don't fricken cry about it when you get taken to court or arrested over it

ffs sake people grow up

Seriously, if you had at least half a brain, you juuust might be dangerous.

Now, let me tell you where your argument falls flat on it's face. See any resemblance to the examples that you provided? No? They're government regulated. Government regulate certain things for public interest.

Sony wanting to claim a sold PS3 as theirs is known as a CORPORATE INTEREST. Some laws are in place to protect corporations, yes (contract binding, copyright etc), but it is unlawful for Sony to claim ownership of your PS3 and regulate it in their interests. That is borderline monopolistic.

The police and courts aren't Sony's personal attack dogs, and you should not be promoting that they are. Spreading idiocy only creates more idiots.

By the way,  owning a house but still not being able to do certain things does not mean that you don't OWN the house. Sony are going for PS3 ownership, much like software licensing, you will have to buy a "PS3 license" which means you're allowed to rent a PS3 for use from Sony.

I never said that you don't own the house, I said you just can't do what you want with it...well technically you could, but if you get caught you'd be done for breaking the law, much like the case for modding the ps3 software


Once again, corporate interest. The only corporate interest that the law enforces are binding contracts, copyright etc. It's why we live in a Democracy, and not a Corporate Oligarchy

The software was actualy modded with the PS3 Update program, too, so it would be difficult to charge them with that.


ok, back to my point which you didnt answer, is it ok in every case to say "it's my property ill do what i want with it" even if it breaks rules/laws that end up with you in court, is that statment a mature excuse/response to say to the judge?

i just want a simple yes or no


The only reason you can't do something with your house is saftey/health reasons that invovle other people.

So yeah, it is a mature response to say "it's my property i'll do what I want with it" if it dosen't effect other peoples health and well being... because it's not illegal.


Its not just health and safety..... It can be something as simple as blocking a neighbours view, or the style not fitting in with the area, Yes councils can be that fussy, i guess you could go against them and carry on with it, just don't be upset if they find out and take action

I guess our views are just different, I don't think its a mature response and you do,  Neither of us or right or wrong, its just opinion

 

Actually, if they took you to court for that... they'd probably lose.  It's like sony in this case.  It's more about the threat then any actual legality of it.  They hope you'll backdown and not want to spend the money to fight.

Which is the real immature action.


Unless it's a REALLY big issue that really effects your neighbors.  Though such an effect would have to be very big to actually be enforcable.

90% of those claims are realy just bullying that isn't enforceable.



buglebum on 25 February 2011
phinch1 said:
Zkuq said:
Nomad Blue said:

And why/how would you no longer own a product you bought?

Obviously if someone else can tell what you may or may not do with the product you bought, you don't actually own it.


It's everywhere in life get use to it, if you buy your house and the land its on, you own it right? you want to build an extension on your land because its yours and you  can do what you want with it right? Wrong! you first have to get permision off the council, and if they say no to your idea of an extension you can't build it, ignoring them and doing so and you'd be breaking the law

You buy a lorry, its resticted to 60mph you want it to go faster, so you derestrict it.... i mean its your property you can do what you want with it! Wrong again , law stands in the way

I bought a dog.........stammped on its head til it died, I bought it i can do with it what i want can't i?


You cannot just do whatever you want to something you own if there are laws saying otherwise,
and if you do go and do it, Don't fricken cry about it when you get taken to court or arrested over it

ffs sake people grow up

 

You should grow up more like.

Those laws are the there to protect people from physical harm and to protect the environment - for everyone.

Have no idea what your piping on about really, utterly irrelevent.



phinch1 on 26 February 2011
Kasz216 said:
phinch1 said:
Kasz216 said:
phinch1 said:
fordy said:
phinch1 said:
fordy said:
phinch1 said:
Zkuq said:
Nomad Blue said:

And why/how would you no longer own a product you bought?

Obviously if someone else can tell what you may or may not do with the product you bought, you don't actually own it.


It's everywhere in life get use to it, if you buy your house and the land its on, you own it right? you want to build an extension on your land because its yours and you  can do what you want with it right? Wrong! you first have to get permision off the council, and if they say no to your idea of an extension you can't build it, ignoring them and doing so and you'd be breaking the law

You buy a lorry, its resticted to 60mph you want it to go faster, so you derestrict it.... i mean its your property you can do what you want with it! Wrong again , law stands in the way

I bought a dog.........stammped on its head til it died, I bought it i can do with it what i want can't i?


You cannot just do whatever you want to something you own if there are laws saying otherwise,
and if you do go and do it, Don't fricken cry about it when you get taken to court or arrested over it

ffs sake people grow up

Seriously, if you had at least half a brain, you juuust might be dangerous.

Now, let me tell you where your argument falls flat on it's face. See any resemblance to the examples that you provided? No? They're government regulated. Government regulate certain things for public interest.

Sony wanting to claim a sold PS3 as theirs is known as a CORPORATE INTEREST. Some laws are in place to protect corporations, yes (contract binding, copyright etc), but it is unlawful for Sony to claim ownership of your PS3 and regulate it in their interests. That is borderline monopolistic.

The police and courts aren't Sony's personal attack dogs, and you should not be promoting that they are. Spreading idiocy only creates more idiots.

By the way,  owning a house but still not being able to do certain things does not mean that you don't OWN the house. Sony are going for PS3 ownership, much like software licensing, you will have to buy a "PS3 license" which means you're allowed to rent a PS3 for use from Sony.

I never said that you don't own the house, I said you just can't do what you want with it...well technically you could, but if you get caught you'd be done for breaking the law, much like the case for modding the ps3 software


Once again, corporate interest. The only corporate interest that the law enforces are binding contracts, copyright etc. It's why we live in a Democracy, and not a Corporate Oligarchy

The software was actualy modded with the PS3 Update program, too, so it would be difficult to charge them with that.


ok, back to my point which you didnt answer, is it ok in every case to say "it's my property ill do what i want with it" even if it breaks rules/laws that end up with you in court, is that statment a mature excuse/response to say to the judge?

i just want a simple yes or no


The only reason you can't do something with your house is saftey/health reasons that invovle other people.

So yeah, it is a mature response to say "it's my property i'll do what I want with it" if it dosen't effect other peoples health and well being... because it's not illegal.


Its not just health and safety..... It can be something as simple as blocking a neighbours view, or the style not fitting in with the area, Yes councils can be that fussy, i guess you could go against them and carry on with it, just don't be upset if they find out and take action

I guess our views are just different, I don't think its a mature response and you do,  Neither of us or right or wrong, its just opinion

 

Actually, if they took you to court for that... they'd probably lose.  It's like sony in this case.  It's more about the threat then any actual legality of it.  They hope you'll backdown and not want to spend the money to fight.

Which is the real immature action.


Unless it's a REALLY big issue that really effects your neighbors.  Though such an effect would have to be very big to actually be enforcable.

90% of those claims are realy just bullying that isn't enforceable.

ok how about you buy a van, and you start putting home made red diesel in it, which is illigal..... is doesnt hurt anyone or have an effect on anyone else, but if you get caught using it your in trouble., which any car van or lorry can be pulled over at random and tested at any vosa stations all about the place.





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buglebum on 26 February 2011
phinch1 said:
Kasz216 said:
phinch1 said:
Kasz216 said:
phinch1 said:
fordy said:
phinch1 said:
fordy said:
phinch1 said:
Zkuq said:
Nomad Blue said:

And why/how would you no longer own a product you bought?

Obviously if someone else can tell what you may or may not do with the product you bought, you don't actually own it.


It's everywhere in life get use to it, if you buy your house and the land its on, you own it right? you want to build an extension on your land because its yours and you  can do what you want with it right? Wrong! you first have to get permision off the council, and if they say no to your idea of an extension you can't build it, ignoring them and doing so and you'd be breaking the law

You buy a lorry, its resticted to 60mph you want it to go faster, so you derestrict it.... i mean its your property you can do what you want with it! Wrong again , law stands in the way

I bought a dog.........stammped on its head til it died, I bought it i can do with it what i want can't i?


You cannot just do whatever you want to something you own if there are laws saying otherwise,
and if you do go and do it, Don't fricken cry about it when you get taken to court or arrested over it

ffs sake people grow up

Seriously, if you had at least half a brain, you juuust might be dangerous.

Now, let me tell you where your argument falls flat on it's face. See any resemblance to the examples that you provided? No? They're government regulated. Government regulate certain things for public interest.

Sony wanting to claim a sold PS3 as theirs is known as a CORPORATE INTEREST. Some laws are in place to protect corporations, yes (contract binding, copyright etc), but it is unlawful for Sony to claim ownership of your PS3 and regulate it in their interests. That is borderline monopolistic.

The police and courts aren't Sony's personal attack dogs, and you should not be promoting that they are. Spreading idiocy only creates more idiots.

By the way,  owning a house but still not being able to do certain things does not mean that you don't OWN the house. Sony are going for PS3 ownership, much like software licensing, you will have to buy a "PS3 license" which means you're allowed to rent a PS3 for use from Sony.

I never said that you don't own the house, I said you just can't do what you want with it...well technically you could, but if you get caught you'd be done for breaking the law, much like the case for modding the ps3 software


Once again, corporate interest. The only corporate interest that the law enforces are binding contracts, copyright etc. It's why we live in a Democracy, and not a Corporate Oligarchy

The software was actualy modded with the PS3 Update program, too, so it would be difficult to charge them with that.


ok, back to my point which you didnt answer, is it ok in every case to say "it's my property ill do what i want with it" even if it breaks rules/laws that end up with you in court, is that statment a mature excuse/response to say to the judge?

i just want a simple yes or no


The only reason you can't do something with your house is saftey/health reasons that invovle other people.

So yeah, it is a mature response to say "it's my property i'll do what I want with it" if it dosen't effect other peoples health and well being... because it's not illegal.


Its not just health and safety..... It can be something as simple as blocking a neighbours view, or the style not fitting in with the area, Yes councils can be that fussy, i guess you could go against them and carry on with it, just don't be upset if they find out and take action

I guess our views are just different, I don't think its a mature response and you do,  Neither of us or right or wrong, its just opinion

 

Actually, if they took you to court for that... they'd probably lose.  It's like sony in this case.  It's more about the threat then any actual legality of it.  They hope you'll backdown and not want to spend the money to fight.

Which is the real immature action.


Unless it's a REALLY big issue that really effects your neighbors.  Though such an effect would have to be very big to actually be enforcable.

90% of those claims are realy just bullying that isn't enforceable.

ok how about you buy a van, and you start putting home made red diesel in it, which is illigal..... is doesnt hurt anyone or have an effect on anyone else, but if you get caught using it your in trouble., which any car van or lorry can be pulled over at random and tested at any vosa stations all about the place.

LOL LOL LOL *super mega facepalm*!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Are you completely ignorant, you do realise RED DIESEL is diesel that has been designated for use on places like farms where VAT tax doesn't need to be payed...

Using red diesel is a serious crime, it's illegal because you're not paying tax on it.

It certainly DOES hurt people, it hurts the economy. If you can get away with it then sure thing go ahead, but boy oh boy you don't have a clue what you're talking about laddy.

 

Both your past 2 example restritictions on items that someone owns are to protect and maintain the public and environment on a national level. For example where do you think the tax the governement gains from fuel sales will come from if everybody uses red diesel?

 

 

What's you're next arguement....!?

 

Restrictions on use of knives that you own?

Restriction on import of tobacco or alcohol that you own?

 

Oh no surely it's not going to be...

 

YOUR OWN BODY!!!!!! WE DON'T OWN OUR BODIES BECAUSE IF WE USE DRUGS WE ARE BREAKING THE LAW!!!!

 

I mean you can see why you're argument isn't relevent right!?

 

On one hand we've got...

 

1. Potential cheating in *games* on PSN

 

and on the other...

 

2. Safety of the public at large and maintenence of the economy of a country (the 2 comparisons you yourself  have drawn)

 

Hmmmm....now which one is more important....let me think....ummmmmn...yup it's got to be PSN everytime ;)



Kasz216 on 26 February 2011
phinch1 said:
Kasz216 said:
phinch1 said:
Kasz216 said:
phinch1 said:
fordy said:
phinch1 said:
fordy said:
phinch1 said:
Zkuq said:
Nomad Blue said:

And why/how would you no longer own a product you bought?

Obviously if someone else can tell what you may or may not do with the product you bought, you don't actually own it.


It's everywhere in life get use to it, if you buy your house and the land its on, you own it right? you want to build an extension on your land because its yours and you  can do what you want with it right? Wrong! you first have to get permision off the council, and if they say no to your idea of an extension you can't build it, ignoring them and doing so and you'd be breaking the law

You buy a lorry, its resticted to 60mph you want it to go faster, so you derestrict it.... i mean its your property you can do what you want with it! Wrong again , law stands in the way

I bought a dog.........stammped on its head til it died, I bought it i can do with it what i want can't i?


You cannot just do whatever you want to something you own if there are laws saying otherwise,
and if you do go and do it, Don't fricken cry about it when you get taken to court or arrested over it

ffs sake people grow up

Seriously, if you had at least half a brain, you juuust might be dangerous.

Now, let me tell you where your argument falls flat on it's face. See any resemblance to the examples that you provided? No? They're government regulated. Government regulate certain things for public interest.

Sony wanting to claim a sold PS3 as theirs is known as a CORPORATE INTEREST. Some laws are in place to protect corporations, yes (contract binding, copyright etc), but it is unlawful for Sony to claim ownership of your PS3 and regulate it in their interests. That is borderline monopolistic.

The police and courts aren't Sony's personal attack dogs, and you should not be promoting that they are. Spreading idiocy only creates more idiots.

By the way,  owning a house but still not being able to do certain things does not mean that you don't OWN the house. Sony are going for PS3 ownership, much like software licensing, you will have to buy a "PS3 license" which means you're allowed to rent a PS3 for use from Sony.

I never said that you don't own the house, I said you just can't do what you want with it...well technically you could, but if you get caught you'd be done for breaking the law, much like the case for modding the ps3 software


Once again, corporate interest. The only corporate interest that the law enforces are binding contracts, copyright etc. It's why we live in a Democracy, and not a Corporate Oligarchy

The software was actualy modded with the PS3 Update program, too, so it would be difficult to charge them with that.


ok, back to my point which you didnt answer, is it ok in every case to say "it's my property ill do what i want with it" even if it breaks rules/laws that end up with you in court, is that statment a mature excuse/response to say to the judge?

i just want a simple yes or no


The only reason you can't do something with your house is saftey/health reasons that invovle other people.

So yeah, it is a mature response to say "it's my property i'll do what I want with it" if it dosen't effect other peoples health and well being... because it's not illegal.


Its not just health and safety..... It can be something as simple as blocking a neighbours view, or the style not fitting in with the area, Yes councils can be that fussy, i guess you could go against them and carry on with it, just don't be upset if they find out and take action

I guess our views are just different, I don't think its a mature response and you do,  Neither of us or right or wrong, its just opinion

 

Actually, if they took you to court for that... they'd probably lose.  It's like sony in this case.  It's more about the threat then any actual legality of it.  They hope you'll backdown and not want to spend the money to fight.

Which is the real immature action.


Unless it's a REALLY big issue that really effects your neighbors.  Though such an effect would have to be very big to actually be enforcable.

90% of those claims are realy just bullying that isn't enforceable.

ok how about you buy a van, and you start putting home made red diesel in it, which is illigal..... is doesnt hurt anyone or have an effect on anyone else, but if you get caught using it your in trouble., which any car van or lorry can be pulled over at random and tested at any vosa stations all about the place.

Red Diesal hurts the enviroment, because it being cheap is going to increases your driving habits.  We don't really have that in the US though.  Red Dye for like, sulfurus fuel, but that's about it, and for enviroemntal reasons.



phinch1 on 26 February 2011
Kasz216 said:
phinch1 said:
Kasz216 said:
phinch1 said:
Kasz216 said:
phinch1 said:
fordy said:
phinch1 said:
fordy said:
phinch1 said:
Zkuq said:
Nomad Blue said:

And why/how would you no longer own a product you bought?

Obviously if someone else can tell what you may or may not do with the product you bought, you don't actually own it.


It's everywhere in life get use to it, if you buy your house and the land its on, you own it right? you want to build an extension on your land because its yours and you  can do what you want with it right? Wrong! you first have to get permision off the council, and if they say no to your idea of an extension you can't build it, ignoring them and doing so and you'd be breaking the law

You buy a lorry, its resticted to 60mph you want it to go faster, so you derestrict it.... i mean its your property you can do what you want with it! Wrong again , law stands in the way

I bought a dog.........stammped on its head til it died, I bought it i can do with it what i want can't i?


You cannot just do whatever you want to something you own if there are laws saying otherwise,
and if you do go and do it, Don't fricken cry about it when you get taken to court or arrested over it

ffs sake people grow up

Seriously, if you had at least half a brain, you juuust might be dangerous.

Now, let me tell you where your argument falls flat on it's face. See any resemblance to the examples that you provided? No? They're government regulated. Government regulate certain things for public interest.

Sony wanting to claim a sold PS3 as theirs is known as a CORPORATE INTEREST. Some laws are in place to protect corporations, yes (contract binding, copyright etc), but it is unlawful for Sony to claim ownership of your PS3 and regulate it in their interests. That is borderline monopolistic.

The police and courts aren't Sony's personal attack dogs, and you should not be promoting that they are. Spreading idiocy only creates more idiots.

By the way,  owning a house but still not being able to do certain things does not mean that you don't OWN the house. Sony are going for PS3 ownership, much like software licensing, you will have to buy a "PS3 license" which means you're allowed to rent a PS3 for use from Sony.

I never said that you don't own the house, I said you just can't do what you want with it...well technically you could, but if you get caught you'd be done for breaking the law, much like the case for modding the ps3 software


Once again, corporate interest. The only corporate interest that the law enforces are binding contracts, copyright etc. It's why we live in a Democracy, and not a Corporate Oligarchy

The software was actualy modded with the PS3 Update program, too, so it would be difficult to charge them with that.


ok, back to my point which you didnt answer, is it ok in every case to say "it's my property ill do what i want with it" even if it breaks rules/laws that end up with you in court, is that statment a mature excuse/response to say to the judge?

i just want a simple yes or no


The only reason you can't do something with your house is saftey/health reasons that invovle other people.

So yeah, it is a mature response to say "it's my property i'll do what I want with it" if it dosen't effect other peoples health and well being... because it's not illegal.


Its not just health and safety..... It can be something as simple as blocking a neighbours view, or the style not fitting in with the area, Yes councils can be that fussy, i guess you could go against them and carry on with it, just don't be upset if they find out and take action

I guess our views are just different, I don't think its a mature response and you do,  Neither of us or right or wrong, its just opinion

 

Actually, if they took you to court for that... they'd probably lose.  It's like sony in this case.  It's more about the threat then any actual legality of it.  They hope you'll backdown and not want to spend the money to fight.

Which is the real immature action.


Unless it's a REALLY big issue that really effects your neighbors.  Though such an effect would have to be very big to actually be enforcable.

90% of those claims are realy just bullying that isn't enforceable.

ok how about you buy a van, and you start putting home made red diesel in it, which is illigal..... is doesnt hurt anyone or have an effect on anyone else, but if you get caught using it your in trouble., which any car van or lorry can be pulled over at random and tested at any vosa stations all about the place.

Red Diesal hurts the enviroment, because it being cheap is going to increases your driving habits.  We don't really have that in the US though.  Red Dye for like, sulfurus fuel, but that's about it, and for enviroemntal reasons.


hacked consoles can hurt the gaming industry, we could go at this all day, neither of us are going to change our minds at least ill say thanks for not talking down to me or in a patronizing way like some fat guy in his avatar with blonde highlights



phinch1 on 26 February 2011
buglebum said:
phinch1 said:
Kasz216 said:
phinch1 said:
Kasz216 said:
phinch1 said:
fordy said:
phinch1 said:
fordy said:
phinch1 said:
Zkuq said:
Nomad Blue said:

And why/how would you no longer own a product you bought?

Obviously if someone else can tell what you may or may not do with the product you bought, you don't actually own it.


It's everywhere in life get use to it, if you buy your house and the land its on, you own it right? you want to build an extension on your land because its yours and you  can do what you want with it right? Wrong! you first have to get permision off the council, and if they say no to your idea of an extension you can't build it, ignoring them and doing so and you'd be breaking the law

You buy a lorry, its resticted to 60mph you want it to go faster, so you derestrict it.... i mean its your property you can do what you want with it! Wrong again , law stands in the way

I bought a dog.........stammped on its head til it died, I bought it i can do with it what i want can't i?


You cannot just do whatever you want to something you own if there are laws saying otherwise,
and if you do go and do it, Don't fricken cry about it when you get taken to court or arrested over it

ffs sake people grow up

Seriously, if you had at least half a brain, you juuust might be dangerous.

Now, let me tell you where your argument falls flat on it's face. See any resemblance to the examples that you provided? No? They're government regulated. Government regulate certain things for public interest.

Sony wanting to claim a sold PS3 as theirs is known as a CORPORATE INTEREST. Some laws are in place to protect corporations, yes (contract binding, copyright etc), but it is unlawful for Sony to claim ownership of your PS3 and regulate it in their interests. That is borderline monopolistic.

The police and courts aren't Sony's personal attack dogs, and you should not be promoting that they are. Spreading idiocy only creates more idiots.

By the way,  owning a house but still not being able to do certain things does not mean that you don't OWN the house. Sony are going for PS3 ownership, much like software licensing, you will have to buy a "PS3 license" which means you're allowed to rent a PS3 for use from Sony.

I never said that you don't own the house, I said you just can't do what you want with it...well technically you could, but if you get caught you'd be done for breaking the law, much like the case for modding the ps3 software


Once again, corporate interest. The only corporate interest that the law enforces are binding contracts, copyright etc. It's why we live in a Democracy, and not a Corporate Oligarchy

The software was actualy modded with the PS3 Update program, too, so it would be difficult to charge them with that.


ok, back to my point which you didnt answer, is it ok in every case to say "it's my property ill do what i want with it" even if it breaks rules/laws that end up with you in court, is that statment a mature excuse/response to say to the judge?

i just want a simple yes or no


The only reason you can't do something with your house is saftey/health reasons that invovle other people.

So yeah, it is a mature response to say "it's my property i'll do what I want with it" if it dosen't effect other peoples health and well being... because it's not illegal.


Its not just health and safety..... It can be something as simple as blocking a neighbours view, or the style not fitting in with the area, Yes councils can be that fussy, i guess you could go against them and carry on with it, just don't be upset if they find out and take action

I guess our views are just different, I don't think its a mature response and you do,  Neither of us or right or wrong, its just opinion

 

Actually, if they took you to court for that... they'd probably lose.  It's like sony in this case.  It's more about the threat then any actual legality of it.  They hope you'll backdown and not want to spend the money to fight.

Which is the real immature action.


Unless it's a REALLY big issue that really effects your neighbors.  Though such an effect would have to be very big to actually be enforcable.

90% of those claims are realy just bullying that isn't enforceable.

ok how about you buy a van, and you start putting home made red diesel in it, which is illigal..... is doesnt hurt anyone or have an effect on anyone else, but if you get caught using it your in trouble., which any car van or lorry can be pulled over at random and tested at any vosa stations all about the place.

LOL LOL LOL *super mega facepalm*!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Are you completely ignorant, you do realise RED DIESEL is diesel that has been designated for use on places like farms where VAT tax doesn't need to be payed...(Quite aware actually)

Using red diesel is a serious crime(so's piracy) it's illegal (so's piracy)because you're not paying tax on it.(there not paying for the games on it)

It certainly DOES hurt people,(not phyically just like piracy) it hurts the economy.(so does piracy) If you can get away with it then sure thing go ahead (same applys to people pirating) but boy oh boy you don't have a clue what you're talking about laddy.(really?)

 

Both your past 2 example restritictions on items that someone owns are to protect and maintain the public and environment on a national level. For example where do you think the tax the governement gains from fuel sales will come from if everybody uses red diesel?

 

 

What's you're next arguement....!?

 

Restrictions on use of knives that you own?(there already is)

Restriction on import of tobacco or alcohol that you own? (there already is)( i know your being sarcastic)


 

Oh no surely it's not going to be...

 

YOUR OWN BODY!!!!!! WE DON'T OWN OUR BODIES BECAUSE IF WE USE DRUGS WE ARE BREAKING THE LAW!!!! 

 

I mean you can see why you're argument isn't relevent right!?

 

On one hand we've got...

 

1. Potential cheating in *games* on PSN

 

and on the other...

 

2. Safety of the public at large and maintenence of the economy of a country (the 2 comparisons you yourself  have drawn)

 

Hmmmm....now which one is more important....let me think....ummmmmn...yup it's got to be PSN everytime ;)





buglebum on 26 February 2011
phinch1 said:
Kasz216 said:
phinch1 said:
Kasz216 said:
phinch1 said:
Kasz216 said:
phinch1 said:
fordy said:
phinch1 said:
fordy said:
phinch1 said:
Zkuq said:
Nomad Blue said:

And why/how would you no longer own a product you bought?

Obviously if someone else can tell what you may or may not do with the product you bought, you don't actually own it.


It's everywhere in life get use to it, if you buy your house and the land its on, you own it right? you want to build an extension on your land because its yours and you  can do what you want with it right? Wrong! you first have to get permision off the council, and if they say no to your idea of an extension you can't build it, ignoring them and doing so and you'd be breaking the law

You buy a lorry, its resticted to 60mph you want it to go faster, so you derestrict it.... i mean its your property you can do what you want with it! Wrong again , law stands in the way

I bought a dog.........stammped on its head til it died, I bought it i can do with it what i want can't i?


You cannot just do whatever you want to something you own if there are laws saying otherwise,
and if you do go and do it, Don't fricken cry about it when you get taken to court or arrested over it

ffs sake people grow up

Seriously, if you had at least half a brain, you juuust might be dangerous.

Now, let me tell you where your argument falls flat on it's face. See any resemblance to the examples that you provided? No? They're government regulated. Government regulate certain things for public interest.

Sony wanting to claim a sold PS3 as theirs is known as a CORPORATE INTEREST. Some laws are in place to protect corporations, yes (contract binding, copyright etc), but it is unlawful for Sony to claim ownership of your PS3 and regulate it in their interests. That is borderline monopolistic.

The police and courts aren't Sony's personal attack dogs, and you should not be promoting that they are. Spreading idiocy only creates more idiots.

By the way,  owning a house but still not being able to do certain things does not mean that you don't OWN the house. Sony are going for PS3 ownership, much like software licensing, you will have to buy a "PS3 license" which means you're allowed to rent a PS3 for use from Sony.

I never said that you don't own the house, I said you just can't do what you want with it...well technically you could, but if you get caught you'd be done for breaking the law, much like the case for modding the ps3 software


Once again, corporate interest. The only corporate interest that the law enforces are binding contracts, copyright etc. It's why we live in a Democracy, and not a Corporate Oligarchy

The software was actualy modded with the PS3 Update program, too, so it would be difficult to charge them with that.


ok, back to my point which you didnt answer, is it ok in every case to say "it's my property ill do what i want with it" even if it breaks rules/laws that end up with you in court, is that statment a mature excuse/response to say to the judge?

i just want a simple yes or no


The only reason you can't do something with your house is saftey/health reasons that invovle other people.

So yeah, it is a mature response to say "it's my property i'll do what I want with it" if it dosen't effect other peoples health and well being... because it's not illegal.


Its not just health and safety..... It can be something as simple as blocking a neighbours view, or the style not fitting in with the area, Yes councils can be that fussy, i guess you could go against them and carry on with it, just don't be upset if they find out and take action

I guess our views are just different, I don't think its a mature response and you do,  Neither of us or right or wrong, its just opinion

 

Actually, if they took you to court for that... they'd probably lose.  It's like sony in this case.  It's more about the threat then any actual legality of it.  They hope you'll backdown and not want to spend the money to fight.

Which is the real immature action.


Unless it's a REALLY big issue that really effects your neighbors.  Though such an effect would have to be very big to actually be enforcable.

90% of those claims are realy just bullying that isn't enforceable.

ok how about you buy a van, and you start putting home made red diesel in it, which is illigal..... is doesnt hurt anyone or have an effect on anyone else, but if you get caught using it your in trouble., which any car van or lorry can be pulled over at random and tested at any vosa stations all about the place.

Red Diesal hurts the enviroment, because it being cheap is going to increases your driving habits.  We don't really have that in the US though.  Red Dye for like, sulfurus fuel, but that's about it, and for enviroemntal reasons.


hacked consoles can hurt the gaming industry, we could go at this all day, neither of us are going to change our minds at least ill say thanks for not talking down to me or in a patronizing way like some fat guy in his avatar with blonde highlights


Fair enough, lol. Good comeback I'll give you that but I'm not fat I'll have you know. bit of a chubby face but we can't all be pretty boys :P