Er... I'm not sure what you think I said, but I'm well aware of the existence of Chinese Muslims. The Hui, at least, were basically indistinguishible from Chinese Jews and, really, the Chinese population at large.

Do you mean China has never persecuted Muslims, or that they've just done so in a distinctly different way from the way Western nations have? Either way, I don't know how you figure that.

Islam was invented by Hitler and his Satanists in the 30s. Are we all forgetting this? lol DREAMSQEEZER!

Seriously though, stop debating on this dumb site and go plant a tree please.(all my respects to ioi, this site is not dumb but people use it in dumb ways, thus making it a dumb site for some people and that is thus why I am calldin it dumb)

There are extremists on both all sides. Honestly, why do you care what other people think? You sounded kind of insecure about your religion imo(if this indeed is the religion you practice) imo. Your time would be better spent actually doing something to reverse this image instead of complaining online. O_o

That being said, good day sir!

I wasn't aware there were Chinese Jews (at least not anymore. I knew there were, in the time of the Great Khans, but i figured the Ming had dealt with them like most other facets of the Khans legacy, that's what threw me

I think most of them converted to Islam in the 1800s, but there is still a miniscule population.

sooo much bs.

1. Shariah law as it is found in every Islamic nation relies almost entirely on Hadiths. That's where all that extremism comes from, not the Qur'an or Islam itself.

2. Muslims are not allowed to lie. Show me a Qur'anic verse claiming such. In fact the Qur'an says multiple times that instead of arguing about religion with others, you should simply say "peace with you. You believe as you wish and I as I wish." (Maybe I should follow this guidance...)

3. This last one makes absolutely no sense. The Qur'an is not laid out chronologically. Parts that came out very early in Muhammad's life are mixed all over the place with parts that came out very late. If you read the Qur'an you can easily see this in that the chapters jump all throughout the early Muslim history. Abrogation is a hot topic for this very reason as there is no chronological order. Additionally, I don't see a point in the Qur'an where abrogation is really relevant. I think it refers to previous holy books, not the Qur'an in itself.

@Op

There is a well written book about the demands and intricacies of being a Muslim by a former muslim now secularist Iban  Warraq, he is an Afghani that found his identity so to speak in higher education many years ago. The book he wrote "Why I am not a Muslim" I believe was published in 2008 or 2007? Either way in a oratory he describes Islam and Muslims, seeing as how he is of liberal mind and well schooled I'll hold agreement with him only for so far as getting the point across in addressing your the OP. Before reaching that point though it must be said that Iban separates Islam from Muslims where he says that a life time of the teachings of Islam and with the benefit of hindsight he is more than qualified to say that Islam is inherently evil if evil is to be defined as not welcomed in a civilized world by civilized post modern legislation and consequently post modern culture while Muslims are not instinctively evil. I however do not make that separation because of the pragmatism found when defining a whole people Christian or Muslim or Jewish; if everyone assumes one title because of their actions or faith then it must be said that their actions or faith are at the very least similar if not identical to earn their title with the only exception being postulation.

This is to say that a Christian who calls himself Christian but does not believe Jesus died for our sins or some or any of the other tenets of Christianity that require faith is not actually a Christian. And likewise for any other religion with divine injunctions.

But I  can't argue in support of Christianity which is what the OP asks of any responder, but I can say that highlighting the height of the Churches power and saying that we should look and see Muslims were not involved in that doesn't change the fact that Islam is used as a political engine in the rapid expansionism of Muslims across the world and Islam through imperialism.

It doesn't change the fact that despite having conquered nearly all the then civilized world inherently along with other relatable causes crippled once modern or  then advanced social structures leaving them in shambles like Bangladesh or Greece or the Philippines or Egypt.

It doesn't change the fact that it is because of the western Imperialism that Arabs were introduced to education, electricity, running water,  inoculation, democracy, roads, trains, cars, medicine and airplanes. It is because of the western world that the Arabs were freed from the Ottoman, folks today seem to forget that the Arabs were in rebellion against the Caliphate back then which had already collapsed on itself.

The so called golden age of Arabia is only due to the rapid conquering done of socially successful regions of the world, where the rich became richer (Arab conquerers) and due to Taqiyya science was allowed to grow until Jihad and the inevitable assertion of Islam, even then those achievements were not from the Arabs but from the peoples they conquered, such as inoculation which was a Chinese and Indian practice hundreds of years before Islam was even construed, the number 0, Greek Literature was obviously not Muslim and so on.

Before you give credit to Islam or the Quran and the advanced society of the Arabs ask yourself what society did the Arabs have? A quick answer would or should show that they in fact had nothing to contribute to the world they conquered and in fact owe the Indians, Greeks and Fallen Byzantium many thanks for the complex social and political structure they exercised long before Islam, as well as their wealth (stolen) and architecture.

People credit Islam for the end of the Dark Ages, I credit the Black Plague. I do however Credit both Islam and Christianity for a join effort to support a 700 year war.

Also Chunk here are some lines from the Quran itself indicating the opposite of whatever your saying.

The Qur'an:

Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."  Suras 9 and 5 are the last "revelations" that Muhammad handed down.

Qur'an (9:5) "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them..."  Prayer and charity are among the Five Pillars of Islam, as salat and zakat.  See below. 

Qur'an (9:11) - (Continued from above) "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion"  This confirms that Muhammad is speaking of conversion to Islam.

Qur'an (2:193) - "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion be only for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers."  The key phrase is to fight until "religion be only for Allah."

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Now most muslims would say well context, that was written during a time of war, well that's very interesting context to me, theres another piece of context missing from that analysis though; it is that this is an open ended letter. In otherwords what you read above isn't just Islam in war it is also an eternal declaration of war on the non-believers.

This is only one of many verses with a similar tone, some are much more forthcoming with the point.

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Pardon my rhetoric for just a moment: But have you ever seen a Muslim mother comment on how she sent her son off on a suicide attack knowlingly for Hamas and hear how she rationalizes it through Islam? Have you ever heard how Shahada had been redifined through Islam to advertize and popularize the after life over the current one? Watch some of these people talk  and know this is before they commit suicide, don't look at the ideal alone watch the ideal in play.

Yes Muslims are the victims here or Arabs whatever but do not confuse the culprit or try to make glass house arguments.

Ummm being Chinese you have a little bias that is obviously non-factual. As a Canadian I'd like to say we never oppressed the Japanese people, but during WWII we put them in camps and took their land and belongings.

The fact is after the Chinese Communist Party took control they persecuted most faiths within their borders. They arrested Christian's and Muslim's all the time. The Chinese government executed thousands to millions of Christian's Muslim's and other descenters since the birth of Communist China.

The reason Muslim's aren't more violent in China is how brutal the Chinese Government is on them. Chinese extremists know that if they take any action the Chinese Government will show no mercy. Also China is very good at propoganda heck you honestly believe that Muslim's have lived unnopressed in China for the extent of its existance, that just shows how good your Government is at lying to you.

Now point out one time that the US Government oppressed Muslim's brutally prior to 9/11. I'm not talking alittle rascism. I'm talking about oppression killing and imprisoning Muslim's for their faith? Before 9/11 name one time the US Government oppressed Muslim people? You can try mentioning Somalia but that was a war situation and it was not to do with the citizens being Muslim.

Now I'm sure their is at least one or two cases of oppression, but were they condoned by the US Government? You may mention Mubarak but was he put in power by the US? No he was simply tolerated and viewed as an ally. Infact the Taliban were put in power by the US, many US allies are Muslim majority countries which persecute Christian's and other faiths (Not Muslims).

Then if you can think of any , try Canada or how about France or Germany (Not Nazi Germany modern Germany).

Osama didn't attack the US because they were oppressing Muslim's he attacked the US to provoke a Holy War. His goal was to create hatred in the Muslim world towards the US and the "Crusaders". Osama knew if he attacked the US that the US and its allies would retaliate. To be sure he would create as much hatred as possible him and Al-Qaida attacked Britian next. Neither country was oppressing Muslim's to much of a degree if any.

Osama wanted a Holy War, because of him and his attacks the US invaded Afghanistan which he used to further anger Muslims as if the invasion was unprovoked. Then the US played right into his hands by invading Iraq which Osama right aways used to expand his operations and get sympathysers. Then Al-Qaida went to Somalia , Yemen and other countries and have tried to expand their Holy War.

This Holy War has nothing to do with America oppressing Muslims, China oppressed Muslim's far worse then America ever has. Its about Osama's agenda, he said himself that the Holy War will not end until every American converts to Islam. Oppression was used to mobalize the people but I highly doubt it was the main factor in the war.

If it was Osama and Al-Qaida and other terrorist networks would be far more active in China and Russia.

P.S- Their are Muslim terrorists attacking China almost monthly, and those are the attacks the outside world hears about. The Chinese Government likes to keep such attacks down low. Infact suppressing the news of the attacks probably helps prevent other attacks. So oppression might work in China's benefit when it comes to dealing with Muslim extremists.

But don't kid your self China has killed probably more Christian's , Muslims and other decenters since the communist party took over then perhaps even the holocaust. China is a horrible horrible example of freedom and non-oppression!