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psrock on 20 February 2011
Buzzi said:
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The Wii has tons of System sellers, games arent the issue. The Wii itself is the problem. The Wii  needs to be refreshed, it feels old and behind. When you have as strong as competitors as the Wii has whom have both had new slim versions, new hadware and such, Nintendo needs to to something about it. Even the PS2 got a refresh. 


For definition a system seller is something that sells system, which game do you think the Wii has left to sell systems? Of course I'm not counting Wii Fit, WSR and NSMBW, they are the main reason why people actually buys a Wii, not system sellers.

Now try to define system seller.

Ok I see what you did, they're letting him survive so they're system sellers. Ok, you're not totally wrong, but I just can't see how you consider 4 games which are letting the console die system sellers. System sellers should improve the sales of a console, not just let him survive.

The Wii is a family console which sells most of its hardware in November and DEC by an amazin amount.  There was tons of games release on Nintendo a couple months ago. Nintendo strategy has always been to survive on a couple games for months and months. It just doenst work as much unless the game has Mario or Wii in its title. 

 Nintendo don't do much sequels, but it sure needs some right now.


Meh, I don't think anything except for NSMBW2 could sell systems. Look at Galaxy 2, even selling 5m it din't move hardware.

Nintendo needs games which could attract new customers, to the Wii Fit ones, which already buy the system...I agree with you about a restyle, but this should also be a way to change Wii's image, like Microsoft did with 360. Releasing just a redesign could help sales but in the long term won't help too much IMHO.


That's the thing how long can we deal with the Wii? I think it's done has much as it could very successfully, but it has no staying power to me. 



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CityOfNoobs on 20 February 2011
ultraslick said:

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-The PS3 gains a litte bit of casual but also gains a lot of core customers (as the PS3 is now seen as the only choice for core customers.)


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Buzzi on 20 February 2011
psrock said:
Buzzi said:
psrock said:
Buzzi said:
psrock said:
Buzzi said:
psrock said:

The Wii has tons of System sellers, games arent the issue. The Wii itself is the problem. The Wii  needs to be refreshed, it feels old and behind. When you have as strong as competitors as the Wii has whom have both had new slim versions, new hadware and such, Nintendo needs to to something about it. Even the PS2 got a refresh. 


For definition a system seller is something that sells system, which game do you think the Wii has left to sell systems? Of course I'm not counting Wii Fit, WSR and NSMBW, they are the main reason why people actually buys a Wii, not system sellers.

Now try to define system seller.

Ok I see what you did, they're letting him survive so they're system sellers. Ok, you're not totally wrong, but I just can't see how you consider 4 games which are letting the console die system sellers. System sellers should improve the sales of a console, not just let him survive.

The Wii is a family console which sells most of its hardware in November and DEC by an amazin amount.  There was tons of games release on Nintendo a couple months ago. Nintendo strategy has always been to survive on a couple games for months and months. It just doenst work as much unless the game has Mario or Wii in its title. 

 Nintendo don't do much sequels, but it sure needs some right now.


Meh, I don't think anything except for NSMBW2 could sell systems. Look at Galaxy 2, even selling 5m it din't move hardware.

Nintendo needs games which could attract new customers, to the Wii Fit ones, which already buy the system...I agree with you about a restyle, but this should also be a way to change Wii's image, like Microsoft did with 360. Releasing just a redesign could help sales but in the long term won't help too much IMHO.


That's the thing how long can we deal with the Wii? I think it's done has much as it could very successfully, but it has no staying power to me. 

For you, but releasing a Wii 2 too early (2 years before the end of the generation) would be a suicide, like the Dreamcast if it hasn't a great line up...



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SaviorX on 20 February 2011
Gilgamesh said:
Play4Fun said:

 I thought the Wii was selling at around the same rate as PS3/360...  >_>

Were people expecting the sales to keep sky-rocketing into the heavens for all eternity? Never slowing down?

Nintendo will just squeeze the last drops out of it, like Sony did with the PS2, and move on to its successor.


So you think it's normal for a market leader to peak on it's 2nd year and sell quite a bit less every year after while the competition get's stronger and stronger with sales? Normally it's suppose to peak around the 4th year then have sales slowly going down while still killing the competition.

This is definitely a first, usually when we find a market leader it dominates the whole gen. The way things are looking in the end this gen could become a statistical tie between the Wii, PS3 and X360.


It is easy to scream "GROWTH" when you are starting from a lower sales base.

The Wii peaked in its second year and tapered off...but that is because sales were astronomical in 2008. Even though the competition is on the rebound, their best sales years still are not close to the Wii's worst.

The idea of a statistical tie happening though is laughable. The PS3 does not have an American presence that strong and the 360 is losing its grip in EMEAA. In order for those consoles to make up a 30m plus lead..... I'm not even gonna bother.



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Play4Fun on 20 February 2011
Gilgamesh said:
Play4Fun said:

 I thought the Wii was selling at around the same rate as PS3/360...  >_>

Were people expecting the sales to keep sky-rocketing into the heavens for all eternity? Never slowing down?

Nintendo will just squeeze the last drops out of it, like Sony did with the PS2, and move on to its successor.

Nintendo didn't try to cater to 3rd parties as well as they should have but the support is still better than it was in the GC days.

They just have to fix the mistakes they made for the successor.


So you think it's normal for a market leader to peak on it's 2nd year and sell quite a bit less every year after while the competition get's stronger and stronger with sales? Normally it's suppose to peak around the 4th year then have sales slowly going down while still killing the competition.

This is definitely a first, usually when we find a market leader it dominates the whole gen. The way things are looking in the end this gen could become a statistical tie between the Wii, PS3 and X360.


What market leading console has sold at the rate the Wii did? It sold at a faster rate than even the PS2.

What happened in pass generations don't necessarily apply to the Wii.

Most people who wanted a Wii would have one by now, and unlike the PS2, it doesn't break  ever few years so many people would have through just one.

The PS3 is selling faster because it is cheaper now and has a great line up of games, 360 because of Kinect.

The Wii is starting to wind down while the HD consoles still have a few years ahead of them.



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Metallicube on 20 February 2011

Again, it's more of what Sony and MS have currently done right than what Nintendo has done wrong. Wii is simply following the natural console life cycle, while the HD consoles have had their lives extended with console redesigns, multiple price drop (especially PS3), and their own motion controllers. If they had not had these features, they would be where the Wii is right now or worse.

You're correct about the other reasons. Third parties have frozen the Wii out, essentially cutting its life short by not filling in the gaps in the software library. Nintendo can't pull the weight 100% of the time, and now that their focus has shifted to 3DS, there is no one left to make Wii games. I'm sure Nintendo will soon shift back to Wii support soon though, once 3DS is released.

As I've said, Nintendo hurt themselves when they decided to make their biggest games of 2010 Super Mario Galaxy 2, Metroid Other M, Goldeneye, and DKC. Only DKC was really a potential system mover. They had NO expanded audience games, no new ideas to draw attention, and only one bridge game in DKC. The rest were purely hardcore games for a niche audience. That is not going to cut it. So the bad 2010 (speaking in sales potential here) hurt the console and carried over to this year. To my knowledge, they had no games that sold 10 million copies during all of 2010, besides what was already released. 2010 for Wii may have been a strong lineup to us gaming message board dwellers, but remember that we only represent a very small portion of the gaming audience.

Anyway, people should stop making a big deal about Wii being in last. It is not surprising when you have no third party support, and your first party support has shifted towards a new console. People seem to forget that PS3 and 360 are not invinsible either, and will soon follow the Wii's downward slide.



Mr Khan on 20 February 2011

Perhaps this generation was introduced too early. The PS3/360's patterns seem too look like both were launched too early, while Wii's success, aside from the compelling software that made it so explosive, was the right tech at the right time.

Though Nintendo's still got three tricks up their sleeve for Wii that should keep it dominant for another year (Dragon Quest X, Vitality Sensor, Zelda).



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Wyrdness on 20 February 2011

The is no fall from grace tbh at the amount the system has sold it's normal it'll slow down but not only that I feel people are jumping the gun already as the Wii had a slow start last year as well all it'll take is for both their new rpgs to be localized, Pikmin 3 and Dragon Quest X to be revealed and a date set for Kirby Star and SWS and all of a sudden the Wii won't seem so dead to people, the is also curiousity on Pandora.



Conegamer on 20 February 2011

How many of these threads do we need?

Important to remember:

  • There's no difference between 'core' and 'casual', great games sell to both (NSMBWii, for one)
  • There's no great Wii games out ATM
  • The PS360 are off te back of price-cuts/add-ons
  • The Wii sold amazingly well in its second year
  • It's tracking well ahead of the PS2 ATM
  • It's currently the best selling console of 2011
Where's the doom?


 

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trestres on 20 February 2011
Conegamer said:

How many of these threads do we need?

Important to remember:

 

  • There's no difference between 'core' and 'casual', great games sell to both (NSMBWii, for one)
  • There's no great Wii games out ATM
    Not true, there are no upcoming games in the near future, that doesn't mean the Wii doesn't have a good library.
  • The PS360 are off te back of price-cuts/add-ons
    Wii received it's pricecut after 360 and PS3, why leave it out?
  • The Wii sold amazingly well in its second year
  • It's tracking well ahead of the PS2 ATM
    Only in the USA it's "well ahead", EMEAA will go down soon and Japan will always be PS2's.
  • It's currently the best selling console of 2011
    Not true according to VGC, it's behind the PS3.
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