I look at Kinect and Wii as two machines that have done very well courtesy of motion gaming hardware.

Take the motion gaming out of the Wii, well it would be another Gamecube.

Wii's 2010 software is arguably one of the best years ever in regards to quantity of quality titles. However, its motion technology now seems dated compared to Kinect. For example, I was at a store the other day. People were all over Kinect Sports. But Move and Wii had nobody around them. I think I saw tumble weeds.

What is the point of motion control if the games suck though? Wii did well because of the motion controls working in tandem with the games and experiences. Motion control is just a means to an end, not the end itself. MS is also guilty of thinking this mistake, which is why I don't think Kinect sales will hold up if the games don't start improving. You can only sell the hardware alone for so long.

If Wii didn't have quality games that appealed to a wide audience, motion control would not be enough to save it.

Wii's 2010 software is arguably one of the best years ever in regards to quantity of quality titles. However, its motion technology now seems dated compared to Kinect. For example, I was at a store the other day. People were all over Kinect Sports. But Move and Wii had nobody around them. I think I saw tumble weeds.

The problem with Wii's 2010 software lineup is that while the games were quality to a niche of hardcore gamers, they genearlly didn't appeal to a wide audience, nor did they try anything new to garner attention. You had Mario Galaxy 2 (a hardcoreish sequel to a game that didn't move a lot of Wiis in the first place), and Donkey Kong Country Returns, a big game but nowhere close to NSMB. Then what else was there? Red Steel 2, Sin and Punishment, Endless Ocean, Fragile, Monster Hunter Tri? Obviously those are not going to move consoles.

One of the biggest myths this gen is that motion controls alone brought the Wii its success, but it is really the motion controls working together WITH the games. Such a big myth that even MS is falling for it.

I haven't made an official comparison chart, but it appears that Kinect sales are beginning to drop pretty quickly too.

Kinect has been dropping by by 10-30K every week in sales.  Kinect certainly had great start but it is no longer selling in comparable amounts to a console system.  At this rate, Kinect will be below 100K worldwide  in 1-2 weeks.  Microsoft needs decent games to release just as badly as Wii does. 

Kinect relied heavily on a huge early advertising budget.  It remains to be seen if it will sustain the sales that it had before-- especially now that all the live demos have been pulled. 

They suck... in your opinion ofcourse. But nobody expects you to say anything postive about games on MS hardware. Now In my opinion, Kinect has the most enjoyable motion games I've ever played. But maybe I'm just a sucker for motion games not limited to my hands. Well me and the countless millions who are enjoying the Kinect.

I'm not refering to the Kinect games with that statement, I just meant in general. Ha, are you kidding? I love my 360, just not Kinect.. Gears 1 and 2 are easilly my most played games this gen.

To each his own.. I don't really care about the motion controls when it comes to Wii games. I just enjoy the games. I love old school type games, and arcade style games, primarilly platformers, and Wii has always been the best to offer this. The only game on Kinect that even remotely interests me is Dance Central, but if I want a Dance game, I will get Just Dance 2.

Here's a thought. If the Wii Balance Board can maintain strong sales for years with very limited software selection and potential, why can't Kinect do the same?

Wii Fit was a brand new concept that capured a blue ocean of new consumers, and despite what some people say, was a quality game. It's not necessarilly the balance board that sold, but Wii Fit itself.

I think you're downplaying how big Mario Galaxy 2 and DKCR are. There was also a Kirby, a Metroid, and Just Dance games! Goldeneye and Black Ops were also some of the best shooters Wii has received. But whatever, lets downplay how strong the software in 2010 was compared to other years simply because NSMBW was a huge success.

The 2010 lineup was incredibly lacking in games that could move consoles, I don't see how you could argue that.. That Kirby game is reminiscent of Yoshi's story; overly kiddie niche style that turned off many gamers. Don't even get me started on that Metroid game, ugh.. DKC was the only game that moved significant hardware the entire year.

Yeah, MS is falling for it. Falling right into a goldmine! Like I said, without motion controls the Wii is just another Gamecube. It would do well, but not nearly this well.

We'll see how it plays out. MS wisely timed the launch of Kinect to coincide with the holiday season, which lifted sales. The novelty of controller-less gaming also drove units. But without the games to back it up, what's the point of having Kinect? Menu navigation? I see no Kinect games in the future, at least announced yet, that will keep the momentum. The Star Wars game and Child of Eden will not cut it. If the hardware is selling big but software doesn't measure up, eventually something will have to give.

Shocking stuff, sales dropping after the holidays.

Lets ignore even with sales dropping its still going strong in the top 10.

Ehhh.... Halo has more value than all four of those combined. Based on the endless hours so many people spend online.

But there are other exclusives for what its worth. Gears, Crackdown, Fable, etc.

but its 4 v 1. 

more choice = better 

still 5 with 6th on the way and there is no way 2 arguably 3 halo games is valued more than (well add kz3) 6 games with 5 with mp. 

2 expanision game is not more valued then 6 games.