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 I don't really see Sony as milking stuff yet. Sure they get sequels out, but the heavy sequeled games were only new IP's introduced this gen. They're still new worlds with lots of stuff to explore and potential story arcs to go to. It doesn't feel like those IP's have been run into the ground through too many sequels, for the most they're fresh new games which people still want to get into. Sure enough if we start seeing Uncharted 5 and God of War 5 in 4 years time I think people will be sick of them, but I think going up to a trilogy before an IP takes a 'break' is okay.

 Compared to Nintendo, where most of their franchises to me are still the exact same games they were 20 years ago. Zelda, Pokemon, Metroid etc still play the exact same as they did when I played them on my NES. So little has changed, and while great games I just can't cope with doing the same puzzles in Zelda or having to do the same turn based battles in Pokemon over and over again. 



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Demonslayersoultaker said:

I think N64 and GCN were more profitable more because Sony puts the money it makes from games back into their gaming division and don't really try to make a net profit, also their hardware R&D was greater and they made less money off hardware sold then Nintendo I think if we talk about the gross 1st party software Sony would come out ahead in all 3 gens 

No, you are wrong, don't go barking up this tree. PS2 is a maybe, Gran Turismo is a beast, but PS3? No. There's not a chance. The top three Nintendo games on the Wii alone (even ignoring the DS) would annihilate the entire first party library of any Sony console ever released.

Edit: Make that top five, just to be safe.



superchunk said:
LivingMetal said:
superchunk said:

I 100% disagree.

I think a good way to determine if Sony is the best publisher is to ask yourself if Sony's hardware could survive by almost entirely its own published software? To me the answer is absolutely not.


Sony has been making a lot of money off of their software, so you are wrong.

You're missing the point. N64, GCN were both far more profitable than PS1 and PS2 and Nintendo had very little to no 3rd party support. Why? Nintendo software is very desired. Sony could never support its hardware predominately off its own software. They like MS require substantial 3rd party support.

Nintendo portables have always been dominate. Why? Pokemon, Brain Age, Nintendogs, etc, etc. Nitnendo software. NDS is a clear example of this. PSP was holding its own until Nintendo pushed out Nintendogs. That one title destroyed PSP's changes.

Wii is another great example. Motion didn't sell Wii, Wii Sports followed by Wii Fit did.


As long as Sony is making money off of a product line to sustain great products, it's probably worth their business venture/investment.  So you are still wrong.



Blacksaber said:
LivingMetal said:
superchunk said:

I 100% disagree.

I think a good way to determine if Sony is the best publisher is to ask yourself if Sony's hardware could survive by almost entirely its own published software? To me the answer is absolutely not.


Sony has been making a lot of money off of their software, so you are wrong.

He never said that...

He's saying that without 3rd party support Sony's Hardware wouldn't be able to sell the way it has and does.


So.  That would still not stop Sony from potentially being the "best publisher going around."



Khuutra said:
Demonslayersoultaker said:

I think N64 and GCN were more profitable more because Sony puts the money it makes from games back into their gaming division and don't really try to make a net profit, also their hardware R&D was greater and they made less money off hardware sold then Nintendo I think if we talk about the gross 1st party software Sony would come out ahead in all 3 gens 

No, you are wrong, don't go barking up this tree. PS2 is a maybe, Gran Turismo is a beast, but PS3? No. There's not a chance. The top three Nintendo games on the Wii alone (even ignoring the DS) would annihilate the entire first party library of any Sony console ever released.

Edit: Make that top five, just to be safe.

Bundled games have no gross, they are usually given away free 



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Demonslayersoultaker said:
Khuutra said:

No, you are wrong, don't go barking up this tree. PS2 is a maybe, Gran Turismo is a beast, but PS3? No. There's not a chance. The top three Nintendo games on the Wii alone (even ignoring the DS) would annihilate the entire first party library of any Sony console ever released.

Edit: Make that top five, just to be safe.

Bundled games have no gross, they are usually given away free

An egregious and unsupportable assumption for Wii Sports, alas.



You meant Activision, right?



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LivingMetal said:


As long as Sony is making money off of a product line to sustain great products, it's probably worth their business venture/investment.  So you are still wrong.

When did I say it wasn't worth their venture?

I said.. read it carefully now... that Sony cannot sustain its hardware predominately based on its own software whereas Nintendo not only can but has numerous times.

You remove PS1/2's massive 3rd party exclusives and other software to the levels of N64 or GC and you will have Playstation losing each gen. easy. In fact, it probably would have never had a PS2/3.

GT is arguably the only IP Sony has that sales at the level of Nintendo's top 10 IPs. Super Mario (this includes SMB, M64, NSMB, Galaxy), Pokemon, Nintendogs, Brain Age, Wii Fit, Wii Sports, Mario Kart, Zelda, etc are all far bigger IPs than anything Sony has with the one exception of GT... and even that is still below most of these.

No matter what you show, GT could never carry hardware on its own. PS has required Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, Tomb Raider (PS1), and the hordes of other top notch 3rd party titles.



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DKHustlin said:

what does going around mean


I thought it meant sleeping with other publishers. Which is a bit weird if you think about it.

@OT I think, that some of the games produced by SCE can be classed as world class, but then again, if you have the developers on your side that have plenty of experience under the belt, Naughty Dog, Guerilla Games and numerous others, it is no wonder that good games are delivered. What I sort of agree/disagree with is making numerous installments in the same generation, I personally think that if the game is good then why not, if the game is pants or just a previous installment with some sugar coat, then it should stop(Guitar Hero, COD).

I wouldn't go as far as to say that SCE is THE best publisher, but certainly one of.



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