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Spankey on 10 February 2011
Baalzamon said:
Spankey said:
twesterm said:

Man, they should have really gotten a judge that knows what's going on.  She kees going back and forth because she keeps misunderstanding just exactly how things work.

As I said in another thread, I don't think they'll find anything surprising about the hacks on his hard drive, I'm betting they're looking for proof that he pirates games.

That would get them:

1. If he pirates games then he must be making the hack to pirate games

2. It would go against what he told the community and hopefully make his lose face (though I doubt it)

3. If anything, have to pay fines for pirating games.


probably not just games - Sony could look for and possibly find pirated stuff of theirs in the form of videos or music too...their catalog is huge

but it looks like that even if they do find the stuff, if it doesn't relate to the PS3 cracking/hacking they can't use it in this case at this time.

They might be able to bring a separate suit for the other stuff, but then surely the evidence would be inadmissible?

They have no right to be searching that stuff though, he could just counter sue their asses back for accessing stuff of his that they weren't ever given permission to access.

for sure - but maybe - and it's a big maybe - Sony could use evidence of other pirated materials as "proof" or at least an indication that he might have the intention of distributing copyright materials and could use that to shoot down his so called pure intention not to allow his hacks to run pirated software on PS3's.

I.E. they might be able to relate this stuff to the case at hand (stuff related directly to PS3 hacking is the current extent of the order) - but as you said it would be a gamble that might end poorly for Sony.



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ElGranCabeza on 11 February 2011

Lol he already wiped that hdd clean, someone that can hack like that will wipe out the HDD and not leave any trace. Waste of time.



The Anarchyz on 11 February 2011

If we were talking about some leecher, Sony could still find the data even with a wipe because of the nature of the erasing, you won't believe the things i have found using recovery software and i don't have the resources they have...

But this is George Hotz, i'm sure he did a multiple-overwrite, low-level formatting, cloning sector-by-sector, etc. And of course, leaving things for Sony to find that don't compromise him... 



Mad55 on 11 February 2011

this entire situation is crazy.



twesterm on 11 February 2011
The Anarchyz said:

If we were talking about some leecher, Sony could still find the data even with a wipe because of the nature of the erasing, you won't believe the things i have found using recovery software and i don't have the resources they have...

But this is George Hotz, i'm sure he did a multiple-overwrite, low-level formatting, cloning sector-by-sector, etc. And of course, leaving things for Sony to find that don't compromise him... 


Finding something that you deleted by just pressing the delete key is trivial.  Finding something that you deleted by pressing shift delete is  harder but doable with time and money.  Finding something that you delete and write over three times is doable but takes A LOT of money and time.  From there it just takes more and more time and money to recover things. 

The government uses a wipe method that writes over data seven times.  There are file wipe programs that write over deleted items 35 times which is pretty much virtually impossible to recover after that.  It could probably be done, but it would take years and an insane sum of money to do.

As for if George wiped his hard drives before hand, it depends if he had time.  I have no idea how much warning he had but I assumed it was actually a surprise that Sony was able to get his computers held.  I know I had to wipe a laptop after an internship using the  35 wipe method (3-7 would have been fine, he decided to go overboard not realizing how much time it would take) that was only 60 gigs and it took all day.  I imagine he has more than 60 gigs of data.



 

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kitler53 on 11 February 2011
poroporo said:
kitler53 said:
poroporo said:

If he hasn't already wiped his drives, he's an idiot.

He probably 'cleaned' his stuff a long time ago.


he was ordered not to do that, which means (if i understand things right) he could get in big trouble if he wiped the drive.

Only if they find out about it.

Clone drive with other similarly-sized drive containing normal data using sector-by-sector method. Job done. :<

If you're a scaredy cat, do a zero fill beforehand.

of course he could wipe the drive but if he "did nothing wrong" then why should he?  I looked it up, tampering with evidence is considered a felony which means jail time for a conviction. 

hell, it would probably work in sony's favor for geohot to wipe the drive.  it will be a lot easier to get a tampering with evidence conviction anyways.



poroporo on 11 February 2011
kitler53 said:
poroporo said:
kitler53 said:
poroporo said:

If he hasn't already wiped his drives, he's an idiot.

He probably 'cleaned' his stuff a long time ago.


he was ordered not to do that, which means (if i understand things right) he could get in big trouble if he wiped the drive.

Only if they find out about it.

Clone drive with other similarly-sized drive containing normal data using sector-by-sector method. Job done. :<

If you're a scaredy cat, do a zero fill beforehand.

of course he could wipe the drive but if he "did nothing wrong" then why should he?  I looked it up, tampering with evidence is considered a felony which means jail time for a conviction. 

hell, it would probably work in sony's favor for geohot to wipe the drive.  it will be a lot easier to get a tampering with evidence conviction anyways.

Cloning isn't wiping :<

If done properly, it's very hard to detect. They won't be able to find out.



dsister on 11 February 2011

:3

What kind of world country do we live in where corporations can manipulate the courts into allowing them access to private citizen's property?



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Soonerman on 11 February 2011
Spankey said:
Baalzamon said:
Spankey said:
twesterm said:

Man, they should have really gotten a judge that knows what's going on.  She kees going back and forth because she keeps misunderstanding just exactly how things work.

As I said in another thread, I don't think they'll find anything surprising about the hacks on his hard drive, I'm betting they're looking for proof that he pirates games.

That would get them:

1. If he pirates games then he must be making the hack to pirate games

2. It would go against what he told the community and hopefully make his lose face (though I doubt it)

3. If anything, have to pay fines for pirating games.


probably not just games - Sony could look for and possibly find pirated stuff of theirs in the form of videos or music too...their catalog is huge

but it looks like that even if they do find the stuff, if it doesn't relate to the PS3 cracking/hacking they can't use it in this case at this time.

They might be able to bring a separate suit for the other stuff, but then surely the evidence would be inadmissible?

They have no right to be searching that stuff though, he could just counter sue their asses back for accessing stuff of his that they weren't ever given permission to access.

for sure - but maybe - and it's a big maybe - Sony could use evidence of other pirated materials as "proof" or at least an indication that he might have the intention of distributing copyright materials and could use that to shoot down his so called pure intention not to allow his hacks to run pirated software on PS3's.

I.E. they might be able to relate this stuff to the case at hand (stuff related directly to PS3 hacking is the current extent of the order) - but as you said it would be a gamble that might end poorly for Sony.


There's no maybe here. IF the order is looking for something specific, ANYTHING ELSE is unadmissible plain simple.



880user088 on 11 February 2011

they want his porn movies.... that he used to watch while hacking the PS3 :P