By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Nintendo - The Last Story--Its performance and its future

A203D on 13 February 2011
RageBot said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
RageBot said:
MrT-Tar said:
RageBot said:
I do plan on getting a PSP for many of the JRPGs it has, I already got a Wii for Xenoblade and The Last Story (and many other games), I don't plan on getting a DS because the only good JRPG that I heard it has (a JRPG that I will consider "good") is The World Ends with You, and I won't get a 360 for Lost Odyssey and Tales of Vesperia.

What about the likes of A.S.H, Soma Bringer, FFT A2, Valkyrie Profile PotC, Inazuma Eleven, DQ IX, Tales of Hearts, Xenosaga, Contact, Fire Emblem, you don't consider them 'good'?

And don't forget the ports/remakes of games like FFIII-IV, Chrono Trigger, Disgaia, Rhapsody, SaGa 2, DQ IV-VI and the like.

1. Ports are ports, not new games :P

2. Xenosaga's story is really good, however it wasn't from this gen, And I heard nothing good about none of the games stated above (except Soma Bringer) from the pepole who I usually ask about which JRPGs I should play.

And it's not just the story, it's a combination of the story with the soundtrack and atmosphere and a lot of other things...


1. Doesn't matter if it's new, only if you haven't played it yet (or don't have your old copy anymore).

2. I have to disagree on Xenosaga. The pacing is glacier slow (and don't tell me that's just for dramatic purposes; RPGs are not 26 episode animes that need to pad out the time), too much isn't explained well, and the dialog is still on the sub par level that most games are.

Then again, I find even RPGs from the PS1/Saturn/N64 days aren't that good with their stories. Servicable for games, yes, but not really good stories on their own.


It does matter if they're new, because if they're not new, they don't matter since I am talking about a trend in a genre.

Did you play the third Xenosaga? (I talked mainly about that one, I do agree that the pacing in the first two is kinda slow).

And... Xenogears' story, or Vagrant Story's, or Final Fantasy Tactics' sstories are amazing, to say the least, and I read a lot of books, if you call them "servicable for games" (as in, comparing them to... like... Gears of War, or Killzone...) I don't think that you understand what you're talking about here... but it's just my opinion.

Havent really been following the thread much i just caught this bit. but i wholeheartedley agree with this point. FF Tactics and Vagrant Story are enormous, with brilliant plot twists, great mystery, excellently written characters and brilliant pacing. not to mention the developers deal with many themes, like loss and life in such a well told narrative.

i played Xenosaga 2 ages ago, and put it on my shelf within a week, too (sorry) boring for me.



Around the Network
A203D on 13 February 2011
ShadowSoldier said:

I've  been saying this for the longest time. The demographic of the userbase has to be taken into accountability. The Wii has made it self the casual/Family oriented console. A game like Last Story is anything but casual. 360s overall fanbase's numbers show that many of them are reluctant to try JRPGs, and yet the PS3 is still starving for great exclusive JRPGs. We saw what happened with a great RPG in Demons Souls (Over a million sales now) and we saw what happened with a mediocre (Though i loved it) one in White Knight Chronicles (600,000 copies sold) and not to mention that the Tales ports have handidly outsold the original versions on the 360/Wii

Yeah i agree with this post. i have to wonder what Sakaguchi and Mistwalker were thinking when they developed this game. its fair enough to make the game for the WIi speciifcally because of the hardware/software accessibility; however to completely alienate both 360 and PS3 fans who have the mainsteam fanbase. why not have developed the game for the Wii then ported to the 360 and PS3 later.

not to mention mainstream games have been met with mediocure reception on the Wii, eg Dead Space Extration or Resident Evil The Darkside Chronicles. so not sure why they decided to go exclusive.

either way the title will likely do 300k in Japan, and maybe 1mil WW, but i think thats good. i'm not sure if Nintendo think thats good enough, but i think its good.



midorigreen on 13 February 2011

The thing is we haven't heared how this game got started. Mistwalker could have been shopping the idea around to other systems but where rejected or nintendo just offered a better deal. And the way I see it nintendo realizes that it can't rely on third party developers to provide high quality software for there systems. The wii is less powerful than its HD counter parts so most third partry developers produce only shovelware and those who try and port AAA games to as many systems as possible will either ignore the wii or deliever a subpar knockoff. Nintendo realizes this and understands that the only way they can attract new players is to provide highquality exclusives themselves. the problem is they can't rely on their most popular IPs for everything, so now they're diversifying their game portfolio with games like Xenoblade and The Last Story. these games are like investments they don't need to be increadibly successful the first iteration, they just need to develop a fanbased that will go out and buy games in the series when they come out or think of the series when ever choosing a consule.



LordTheNightKnight on 13 February 2011
RageBot said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
RageBot said:
MrT-Tar said:
RageBot said:
I do plan on getting a PSP for many of the JRPGs it has, I already got a Wii for Xenoblade and The Last Story (and many other games), I don't plan on getting a DS because the only good JRPG that I heard it has (a JRPG that I will consider "good") is The World Ends with You, and I won't get a 360 for Lost Odyssey and Tales of Vesperia.

What about the likes of A.S.H, Soma Bringer, FFT A2, Valkyrie Profile PotC, Inazuma Eleven, DQ IX, Tales of Hearts, Xenosaga, Contact, Fire Emblem, you don't consider them 'good'?

And don't forget the ports/remakes of games like FFIII-IV, Chrono Trigger, Disgaia, Rhapsody, SaGa 2, DQ IV-VI and the like.

1. Ports are ports, not new games :P

2. Xenosaga's story is really good, however it wasn't from this gen, And I heard nothing good about none of the games stated above (except Soma Bringer) from the pepole who I usually ask about which JRPGs I should play.

And it's not just the story, it's a combination of the story with the soundtrack and atmosphere and a lot of other things...


1. Doesn't matter if it's new, only if you haven't played it yet (or don't have your old copy anymore).

2. I have to disagree on Xenosaga. The pacing is glacier slow (and don't tell me that's just for dramatic purposes; RPGs are not 26 episode animes that need to pad out the time), too much isn't explained well, and the dialog is still on the sub par level that most games are.

Then again, I find even RPGs from the PS1/Saturn/N64 days aren't that good with their stories. Servicable for games, yes, but not really good stories on their own.


It does matter if they're new, because if they're not new, they don't matter since I am talking about a trend in a genre.

Did you play the third Xenosaga? (I talked mainly about that one, I do agree that the pacing in the first two is kinda slow).

And... Xenogears' story, or Vagrant Story's, or Final Fantasy Tactics' sstories are amazing, to say the least, and I read a lot of books, if you call them "servicable for games" (as in, comparing them to... like... Gears of War, or Killzone...) I don't think that you understand what you're talking about here... but it's just my opinion.


1. Okay, but it would have been best to point out the story aspect, not the port aspect, as that muddles what you mean.

2. I didn't get to the third game. If the story is better, I hope the gameplay isn't as obtuse as well.

3. I do understand what I meant. And I didn't claim none had good stories, just most aren't particularly good. If you break down a lot of the elements, including characterization, motivation, and event causation, most of the games don't feel as well crafted as they should be. Even the games you mentioned have faults at times, even though they are still some of the better ones.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs