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Xen said:

Then they damn well should. Not comparing LOTR with HP here, but LOTR movies certainly lived up to the books.

@darth: reverse for me. Books first!

Well, I've read the LotR books, and the movies were definately shorter (particularly Fewlloship of the Ring), and they were missing parts of the story and characters (the tone of the books was also somewhet mroe comical than that of the movie, and there were some musical scenes, if I'm not mistaken, that didn't make it in the movies). Still, they were great adaptations, and the changes and omissions didn't take away anything, but were actually necessary.



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zexen_lowe said:
darthdevidem01 said:

True I only read the first 100 pages of the book before dozing off!


To be fair, the first of the six books (that is, the first part of The Fellowship) is frankly horrible and sleep-inducing, it gets much better once they reach Rivendell

Sleep? Nah. Not as exciting though.

@snake:

That's how it is with proper directing.



zexen_lowe said:
Xen said:

Then they damn well should. Not comparing LOTR with HP here, but LOTR movies certainly lived up to the books.


Or they were actually better since they cut parts that were totally irrelevant to the general plot (I'm looking at you, Tom Bombadil).

Point is, you can do a book adaptation fine if you want, for example, yesterday I watched The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo after having read the book, they adapted a 600 page book into a 150 minute film perfectly, everything that happens in the film happens in the book, sure, some parts were shortened, but the essence of every scene was kept intact. That's how an adaptation should be. When you gotta make up parts that weren't in the book to justify your plot, you're messing up a bit the adaptation

I'm a huge fan of The Millennium trilogy, and I must say that I found that the movie sucked. IT has the typicall problem I think an adaptation can have: it seemd as if it was missing parts, as if important moments were edited out. I would've felt that way even if I hadn't read the books. The movie has to feel like it's flowing naturally, not like it's rushing. I didn't feel this way when I saw the LotR films, or Gone with the Wind, which are both amazing adaptations, which rival and in some ways surpass the books.

FTR, from what I understand there's a 3 hour version of The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (a director's cut I beleive) that has a lot of footage that was removed from the main film, and that version I think will make more sense. I'm also looking forward to the American version later this year.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

zexen_lowe said:
darthdevidem01 said:

True I only read the first 100 pages of the book before dozing off!


To be fair, the first of the six books (that is, the first part of The Fellowship) is frankly horrible and sleep-inducing, it gets much better once they reach Rivendell

That is so true. When I started reading I couldn't beleive how boring it was. It got better, but you really had to stick with it.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
zexen_lowe said:
Xen said:

Then they damn well should. Not comparing LOTR with HP here, but LOTR movies certainly lived up to the books.


Or they were actually better since they cut parts that were totally irrelevant to the general plot (I'm looking at you, Tom Bombadil).

Point is, you can do a book adaptation fine if you want, for example, yesterday I watched The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo after having read the book, they adapted a 600 page book into a 150 minute film perfectly, everything that happens in the film happens in the book, sure, some parts were shortened, but the essence of every scene was kept intact. That's how an adaptation should be. When you gotta make up parts that weren't in the book to justify your plot, you're messing up a bit the adaptation

I'm a huge fan of The Millennium trilogy, and I must say that I found that the movie sucked. IT has the typicall problem I think an adaptation can have: it seemd as if it was missing parts, as if important moments were edited out. I would've felt that way even if I hadn't read the books. The movie has to feel like it's flowing naturally, not like it's rushing. I didn't feel this way when I saw the LotR films, or Gone with the Wind, which are both amazing adaptations, which rival and in some ways surpass the books.

FTR, from what I understand there's a 3 hour version of The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (a director's cut I beleive) that has a lot of footage that was removed from the main film, and that version I think will make more sense. I'm also looking forward to the American version later this year.

I'm certainly not looking forward to the Hollywood version, I'll prolly watch it eventually but I'm not really confident that it'll turn out well.

I don't really know what parts were edited out, sure it's more difficult with a book I've only read once comparted to the HP series where I've read each one at least ten times, but I certainly didn't find anything important missing. Minor things I noticed is that Vanger hiring Blomkvist doesn't seem as convincing as in the book because he doesn't promise him to tell him about Wennerström, that the decoy they used that he's "writing the biography" isn't said in the movie and I was sad that they cut the part where Lisbeth steals Wennerström's money (it was one of my favorite parts in the book), but those were minor details, overall I found it extremely loyal and well-flowing




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zexen_lowe said:
darthdevidem01 said:

True I only read the first 100 pages of the book before dozing off!


To be fair, the first of the six books (that is, the first part of The Fellowship) is frankly horrible and sleep-inducing, it gets much better once they reach Rivendell

Well I don't think I'm gonna read them now, I know what happens int he plot so I won't have enough motivation to read the books anymore.



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zexen_lowe said:
sapphi_snake said:
zexen_lowe said:
Xen said:

Then they damn well should. Not comparing LOTR with HP here, but LOTR movies certainly lived up to the books.


Or they were actually better since they cut parts that were totally irrelevant to the general plot (I'm looking at you, Tom Bombadil).

Point is, you can do a book adaptation fine if you want, for example, yesterday I watched The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo after having read the book, they adapted a 600 page book into a 150 minute film perfectly, everything that happens in the film happens in the book, sure, some parts were shortened, but the essence of every scene was kept intact. That's how an adaptation should be. When you gotta make up parts that weren't in the book to justify your plot, you're messing up a bit the adaptation

I'm a huge fan of The Millennium trilogy, and I must say that I found that the movie sucked. IT has the typicall problem I think an adaptation can have: it seemd as if it was missing parts, as if important moments were edited out. I would've felt that way even if I hadn't read the books. The movie has to feel like it's flowing naturally, not like it's rushing. I didn't feel this way when I saw the LotR films, or Gone with the Wind, which are both amazing adaptations, which rival and in some ways surpass the books.

FTR, from what I understand there's a 3 hour version of The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (a director's cut I beleive) that has a lot of footage that was removed from the main film, and that version I think will make more sense. I'm also looking forward to the American version later this year.

I'm certainly not looking forward to the Hollywood version, I'll prolly watch it eventually but I'm not really confident that it'll turn out well.

I don't really know what parts were edited out, sure it's more difficult with a book I've only read once comparted to the HP series where I've read each one at least ten times, but I certainly didn't find anything important missing. Minor things I noticed is that Vanger hiring Blomkvist doesn't seem as convincing as in the book because he doesn't promise him to tell him about Wennerström, that the decoy they used that he's "writing the biography" isn't said in the movie and I was sad that they cut the part where Lisbeth steals Wennerström's money (it was one of my favorite parts in the book), but those were minor details, overall I found it extremely loyal and well-flowing

I actually disliked the fact that all those details were missing. It made everything seem rushed and unnatural. You are right that the part with Lisbeth stealing the money was awsome. It did miss some edgy parts (like the part when the villain was about to rape Michael), and I am afraid that the Hollywood version will be even less edgier.

I also wish they had adapted it to American society, like they did with The Departed, rather than the events taking place in Sweden, but with people speaking in English. With the Swedish version, it just seems redundant. I guess they did not like the fact that the villains in the following books would have had to be Republicans.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
zexen_lowe said:
sapphi_snake said:
zexen_lowe said:
Xen said:

Then they damn well should. Not comparing LOTR with HP here, but LOTR movies certainly lived up to the books.


Or they were actually better since they cut parts that were totally irrelevant to the general plot (I'm looking at you, Tom Bombadil).

Point is, you can do a book adaptation fine if you want, for example, yesterday I watched The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo after having read the book, they adapted a 600 page book into a 150 minute film perfectly, everything that happens in the film happens in the book, sure, some parts were shortened, but the essence of every scene was kept intact. That's how an adaptation should be. When you gotta make up parts that weren't in the book to justify your plot, you're messing up a bit the adaptation

I'm a huge fan of The Millennium trilogy, and I must say that I found that the movie sucked. IT has the typicall problem I think an adaptation can have: it seemd as if it was missing parts, as if important moments were edited out. I would've felt that way even if I hadn't read the books. The movie has to feel like it's flowing naturally, not like it's rushing. I didn't feel this way when I saw the LotR films, or Gone with the Wind, which are both amazing adaptations, which rival and in some ways surpass the books.

FTR, from what I understand there's a 3 hour version of The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (a director's cut I beleive) that has a lot of footage that was removed from the main film, and that version I think will make more sense. I'm also looking forward to the American version later this year.

I'm certainly not looking forward to the Hollywood version, I'll prolly watch it eventually but I'm not really confident that it'll turn out well.

I don't really know what parts were edited out, sure it's more difficult with a book I've only read once comparted to the HP series where I've read each one at least ten times, but I certainly didn't find anything important missing. Minor things I noticed is that Vanger hiring Blomkvist doesn't seem as convincing as in the book because he doesn't promise him to tell him about Wennerström, that the decoy they used that he's "writing the biography" isn't said in the movie and I was sad that they cut the part where Lisbeth steals Wennerström's money (it was one of my favorite parts in the book), but those were minor details, overall I found it extremely loyal and well-flowing

I actually disliked the fact that all those details were missing. It made everything seem rushed and unnatural. You are right that the part with Lisbeth stealing the money was awsome. It did miss some edgy parts (like the part when the villain was about to rape Michael), and I am afraid that the Hollywood version will be even less edgier.

I also wish they had adapted it to American society, like they did with The Departed, rather than the events taking place in Sweden, but with people speaking in English. With the Swedish version, it just seems redundant. I guess they did not like the fact that the villains in the following books would have had to be Republicans.

?

They talk in Swedish....




zexen_lowe said:
sapphi_snake said:
zexen_lowe said:
sapphi_snake said:
zexen_lowe said:
Xen said:

Then they damn well should. Not comparing LOTR with HP here, but LOTR movies certainly lived up to the books.


Or they were actually better since they cut parts that were totally irrelevant to the general plot (I'm looking at you, Tom Bombadil).

Point is, you can do a book adaptation fine if you want, for example, yesterday I watched The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo after having read the book, they adapted a 600 page book into a 150 minute film perfectly, everything that happens in the film happens in the book, sure, some parts were shortened, but the essence of every scene was kept intact. That's how an adaptation should be. When you gotta make up parts that weren't in the book to justify your plot, you're messing up a bit the adaptation

I'm a huge fan of The Millennium trilogy, and I must say that I found that the movie sucked. IT has the typicall problem I think an adaptation can have: it seemd as if it was missing parts, as if important moments were edited out. I would've felt that way even if I hadn't read the books. The movie has to feel like it's flowing naturally, not like it's rushing. I didn't feel this way when I saw the LotR films, or Gone with the Wind, which are both amazing adaptations, which rival and in some ways surpass the books.

FTR, from what I understand there's a 3 hour version of The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (a director's cut I beleive) that has a lot of footage that was removed from the main film, and that version I think will make more sense. I'm also looking forward to the American version later this year.

I'm certainly not looking forward to the Hollywood version, I'll prolly watch it eventually but I'm not really confident that it'll turn out well.

I don't really know what parts were edited out, sure it's more difficult with a book I've only read once comparted to the HP series where I've read each one at least ten times, but I certainly didn't find anything important missing. Minor things I noticed is that Vanger hiring Blomkvist doesn't seem as convincing as in the book because he doesn't promise him to tell him about Wennerström, that the decoy they used that he's "writing the biography" isn't said in the movie and I was sad that they cut the part where Lisbeth steals Wennerström's money (it was one of my favorite parts in the book), but those were minor details, overall I found it extremely loyal and well-flowing

I actually disliked the fact that all those details were missing. It made everything seem rushed and unnatural. You are right that the part with Lisbeth stealing the money was awsome. It did miss some edgy parts (like the part when the villain was about to rape Michael), and I am afraid that the Hollywood version will be even less edgier.

I also wish they had adapted it to American society, like they did with The Departed, rather than the events taking place in Sweden, but with people speaking in English. With the Swedish version, it just seems redundant. I guess they did not like the fact that the villains in the following books would have had to be Republicans.

?

They talk in Swedish....

In the Hollywood version coming out later this year??? I doubt it.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

badgenome said:

Donnie Darko. Everyone and their mother told me how great this movie was, and Netflix was all like, "Hey, if you liked Memento, you'll love this shit!" I fucking loathed every second of it and haven't spoken to anyone who had recommended it to me since (because I brutally murdered them all).

I was in the exact same boat. Some of my actor nerd friends kept going on and on about Donnie Darko this, Frank that, yadda yadda yadda.

It was just an incredibly average movie. Not noteworthy in any way. I can't say I hated it like you, but I just found it to be forgettable.

Same thing with The Fountain. Okay movie, nothing stood out... but it was just hyped to the moon and back by the actor nerds so I was underwhelmed.