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disolitude on 01 February 2011
ssj12 said:

He is right, the PSP isn't a failure. It successfully took over 30% of the handheld market from Nintendo which no other handheld in the history of handheld gaming consoles managed to accomplish.



This comment would make sense if Nintendo lost marketshare...but DS is their most successful handheld ever.  So PSP didn't take anything over from nintendo...The market expanded and PSP capitalised on that.



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HappySqurriel on 01 February 2011

Until the price and release date of the NGP is announced I don't think much can be said about the viability of the NGP ...

Essentially, if the price is high enough, the release date is late enough, and the 3DS is popular enough, after the NGP is on the market for a year the 3DS could be selling 3 times as many systems on a monthly basis and have a userbase which is 5 to 6 times as large; and when you couple this with the NGP having much higher cost to develop games, with much longer development timelines, it would be very difficult for any publisher to justify developing games for the NGP.

In contrast, if Sony somehow releases the NGP at near to the price of the 3DS, and is able to release in the not too distant future, both systems could be viable and the generation could be much closer than the previous one.



Squilliam on 01 February 2011

I just want to correct, third best selling handheld. Sheesh people like to act as if there isn't another company with a few fingers on the market.

"iOS gamers on their iPhones, iPod touches and iPads account for a hefty 40.1 million of the estimated 77 million Americans who do mobile gaming. Sony’s PSP accounts for a mere 18 million mobile gamers. Nintendo’s DS family of portable gaming devices account for 41 million gamers (some overlap exists naturally of course). With Apple’s iOS clocking in at less than 1 million less gamers than the Nintendo DS, it has nearly caught up. "

"In European markets, the Nintendo DS family holds a much more comfortable lead over iOS. However, the PSP is behind iOS in the UK, Germany, France, the Netherlands and Belgium."

http://blog.wirelessground.com/apples-ios-passes-sonys-psp/

It is possible that Sony will never catch up.



Tease.

ssj12 on 02 February 2011
Squilliam said:

I just want to correct, third best selling handheld. Sheesh people like to act as if there isn't another company with a few fingers on the market.

"iOS gamers on their iPhones, iPod touches and iPads account for a hefty 40.1 million of the estimated 77 million Americans who do mobile gaming. Sony’s PSP accounts for a mere 18 million mobile gamers. Nintendo’s DS family of portable gaming devices account for 41 million gamers (some overlap exists naturally of course). With Apple’s iOS clocking in at less than 1 million less gamers than the Nintendo DS, it has nearly caught up. "

"In European markets, the Nintendo DS family holds a much more comfortable lead over iOS. However, the PSP is behind iOS in the UK, Germany, France, the Netherlands and Belgium."

http://blog.wirelessground.com/apples-ios-passes-sonys-psp/

It is possible that Sony will never catch up.

umm... cell phone games are mobile games, not handheld. Different market. Apple might say stuff like "we  are apart of the handheld market" but they aren't. They are the same market as my Droid, my old LG Dare, my dad's Razer, and whatever that free pos my mom has. Even though we haven't review any games, from my knowledge, all iPhone, Droid etc goes under mobile reviews, not handheld. Every video game website has cell phone games under mobile.



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DarkintheLight on 02 February 2011
Squilliam said:

I just want to correct, third best selling handheld. Sheesh people like to act as if there isn't another company with a few fingers on the market.

"iOS gamers on their iPhones, iPod touches and iPads account for a hefty 40.1 million of the estimated 77 million Americans who do mobile gaming. Sony’s PSP accounts for a mere 18 million mobile gamers. Nintendo’s DS family of portable gaming devices account for 41 million gamers (some overlap exists naturally of course). With Apple’s iOS clocking in at less than 1 million less gamers than the Nintendo DS, it has nearly caught up. "

"In European markets, the Nintendo DS family holds a much more comfortable lead over iOS. However, the PSP is behind iOS in the UK, Germany, France, the Netherlands and Belgium."

http://blog.wirelessground.com/apples-ios-passes-sonys-psp/

It is possible that Sony will never catch up.

Phones aren't in the same category as handhelds, they can only play flash level games and gaming isn't even their main purpose 



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DarkintheLight on 02 February 2011

That's good hopefully we will see some Sega launch titles 



Reasonable on 02 February 2011
thismeintiel said:
Reasonable said:

PSP did fine.  People are obsessed with black/white fail/win comparisons.  As a first entry in the handheld gaming market, for exmaple, the PSP did better than the Xbox (another first entry device) did relative to the main competition - should MS have given up and declared it was a failure and left the market to Sony?

Of course not.  Similarly, the PSP did more than well enough that no sensible company would pack up their bags and just leave the market to Nintendo.  And if there is one thing Sony now knows all to well, it's sometimes easier to take marketshare steadily from someone else vs hang on to huge chunks of marketshare

PSP did well as an initial entry, with over 30% of the total marketshare defined by DS/PSP, and NGP I think is well positioned to do better.  The handheld market is large and while under threat from smart phones and the like I could still see it rising in size to easily allow both the 3DS and the NGP to succeed in their own right.

A lot more people need to realise business doesn't consist of a winner and everyone else just bails out and leaves them to it.  Every new release or change of strategy can change the market.  Sony demolished Nintendo in volume sales yet Nintendo came back with the same result a gen later.  Xbox sold relatively weakly yet MS came back and improved hugely with the 360.  Similarly Sony will look for improvement with their new device even if Nintendo ultimately sell more.

That's the nature of a competitive market.

Just a small correction, it was 2 gens later Nintendo bounced back.  Still, I agree with your post 100%.  And given that Sony will have a full line-up of PSP Minis available at launch, as well as new games like Little Deviants, I think that the NGP may pull in more casuals than the PSP did.  Fact is, if Sony can get the NGP out to market with a price tag within a $50 difference of the 3DS, then this handheld gen is going to be very interesting.

True - I was thinking PS2 / GC to PS3 / Wii only for some reason.



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Squilliam on 02 February 2011
ssj12 said:
Squilliam said:

I just want to correct, third best selling handheld. Sheesh people like to act as if there isn't another company with a few fingers on the market.

"iOS gamers on their iPhones, iPod touches and iPads account for a hefty 40.1 million of the estimated 77 million Americans who do mobile gaming. Sony’s PSP accounts for a mere 18 million mobile gamers. Nintendo’s DS family of portable gaming devices account for 41 million gamers (some overlap exists naturally of course). With Apple’s iOS clocking in at less than 1 million less gamers than the Nintendo DS, it has nearly caught up. "

"In European markets, the Nintendo DS family holds a much more comfortable lead over iOS. However, the PSP is behind iOS in the UK, Germany, France, the Netherlands and Belgium."

http://blog.wirelessground.com/apples-ios-passes-sonys-psp/

It is possible that Sony will never catch up.

umm... cell phone games are mobile games, not handheld. Different market. Apple might say stuff like "we  are apart of the handheld market" but they aren't. They are the same market as my Droid, my old LG Dare, my dad's Razer, and whatever that free pos my mom has. Even though we haven't review any games, from my knowledge, all iPhone, Droid etc goes under mobile reviews, not handheld. Every video game website has cell phone games under mobile.

If iTouch, iPhone and iPad aren't handhelds then the PSP isn't either.



Tease.

Reasonable on 02 February 2011
disolitude said:
ssj12 said:

He is right, the PSP isn't a failure. It successfully took over 30% of the handheld market from Nintendo which no other handheld in the history of handheld gaming consoles managed to accomplish.



This comment would make sense if Nintendo lost marketshare...but DS is their most successful handheld ever.  So PSP didn't take anything over from nintendo...The market expanded and PSP capitalised on that.


Technically they did lose marketshare.  I agree with you in principle the key element was an expanding market, and that volume wise DS did even better, but from a business perspective as Nintendo went from essentially 100% marketshare to less marketshare of a total bigger pot they did lose some.

Basically, PSP you would say by being in the market prevented Nintendo taking the whole expanded market available - hence the drop in marketshare.

Marketshare is the total set of potential customers and remains 100% even as the market expands, so it is possible to do better in volume sales and profits and lose marketshare at the same time - which is what Nintendo did.



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Jumpin on 02 February 2011
haxxiy said:
Jumpin said:
ssj12 said:

He is right, the PSP isn't a failure. It successfully took over 30% of the handheld market from Nintendo which no other handheld in the history of handheld gaming consoles managed to accomplish.


It could also be said that the PSP failed to dominate the handheld market; and instead of defeating the final section of their biggest competition, Nintendo actually had their most successful system to date.

Hardly relevant. One's success is not always another's failure. If that was the case, we could say Kinect failed, WIi software failed, SNES failed, anything Sega released failed etc. And if we account the iPhone as a handheld of sorts, the DS failed too. 

You completely missed the point of my post.

I was pointing out that "PSP successfully took X% of X market" was not a statement of significance, X could be 0.05, and the statement would be just as valid. Or it could be spun around and worded as I worded my last post.



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